An Indian Civilizational Perspective

The Dera Sacha Sauda-Akal Takht Mess

There is a lot of issues going on with the Akal takht and the Dera Sacha Sauda. Now, I don’t care if the Baba or Guru at the Dera Sacha Sauda is a good person or Guru or not but the Sikh leaders have made a complete mockery of the Sikh religion!!

What was his mistake? He dressed as Guru Gobind Singh.. hmm so what’s wrong with that? In the Raas Lilas many actors dress up as Krishna or even as Ram during Ramayan.. in fact this Police Officer (he is an Inspector General of Police!) goes around dressed up as Radha for his "Krishna".. so is that a big enough sin to haul him with belligerance?

Do these idiotic Akal Takht heads have nothing better to do in their lives? They could surely improve the situation of the Gurudwaras than what they are right now!

Now, that the Dera Guru has given the apology, the Akal Takht guys have rejected it! Why, because the apology was not sincere enough! They were pre-disposed to that conclusion because they were gearing up for a fight. They have nothing better to do anyways so accepting the apology would have put their life into the same boredom.. so they have some pretty tough words for the Dera Baba!!

The worst is that there is some "chatter" that has been recorded by the Indian Intelligence going back and forth from the Gurudwara in Talwandi (the one place where this all started) to Babbar Khalsa chief in Lahore who is supported by the Pakis to escalate this issue in to a bigger "opportunity" for those anarchist idiots!

Pakistan has rushed to fish in troubled Punjab waters in the wake of the Sikh-Dera Sacha Sauda feud, with Babbar Khalsa International chief Wadhawan Singh Babbar, operating from Lahore under ISI patronage, seeking to stoke violence in the state.

Government sources in Punjab and here disclosed that Wadhawan, who is on India’s ‘Most Wanted’ list, has been in touch with radical elements in the Sikh community at a time when the Dera fire have been raging.
They also said that Wadhawan had worked on the radical Sikh priest whose Gurudwara near Talwandi Sabo in Bathinda was the catalyst for setting off the clash with the Dera over advertisements featuring its chief, Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh, attired as Guru Gobind Singh.

Telephone intercepts with agencies clearly bring out the interest of the ISI auxiliary in fanning the confrontation which has triggered fears of revival of extremism in Punjab.

Here is the stuff on these idiots from Akal Takht’s statements on the Dera’s apology:

The Akal Takht dismissed the apology as "a shrewd tactic to divert attention".

In conflict with the Dera chief for his alleged imitation of Sikh Guru Gobind Singh, the five Sikh high priests, at a meeting in Amritsar, said the social boycott of Dera followers announced by them would continue.

A resolution adopted at the meeting said the apology given by the Dera chief to Guru Gobind Singh on Sunday night was "not graceful in language and spirit".

The priests said the apology was "no more than a shrewd tactic of the Dera chief to divert attention from the fact that he himself is not forthcoming with the apology but is instead trying to hide behind nameless followers".

The Takht described the Dera chief as "shrewd and egoistic".

"When the apology is sincere and from the core of the heart, then the Guru (Gobind Singh) is magnanimous to forgive. If he has sincerely apologized, then the Guru would forgive him," the resolution said adding "but he has worded the apology in a cunning manner".

"God always pardons the guilty", the Sikh priests said in the statement.

The Akal Takht meeting presided by Jathedar Joginder Singh Vedanti said if the Dera Chief and his followers had expressed the apology from the core of their heart to Guru Gobind Singh, the creator of Khalsa Panth (Sikh religion) would forgive them.

"If they have indulged in mischief, the Guru would take care of them," it said.

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19 Comments
  1. Jasjit Singh says

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  2. Desh says

    Thanks Mr. Singh, for the link!!

    i checked out the blog.. it is well written… I will write another post on this topic in a few days…

    If you have something to say on this issue, please feel free to add it here…

  3. Desh says

    Thanks Mr. Singh, for the link!!

    i checked out the blog.. it is well written… I will write another post on this topic in a few days…

    If you have something to say on this issue, please feel free to add it here…

  4. vaibhu says

    well i want to add some important fact about all this mess that has been blown out of proportion.
    some anti social elements from sikh community are threatening the dera premis to stop going to dera and start going to gurudwaras and start donating funds at gurudwara. they are not allowed to do regular keertan and are threatened that they will be killed if they don’t follow them.Now as much as i know it is the fundamental right of every citizen of indian republic that any indian can practice any religion.then why are they being stopped from worshiping the religion they want?when administration is asked to register the case it simply rejects the plea,probably under the pressure of akali govt.
    is this what sikh are taught? its a shame.
    also one more point i am unable to understand that whenever there is any protest against dera by sikh clergy ,why and how the slogans of “khalistan jindabad” are heard?
    khalistan is a banned militant organization. what the hell is that doing in protest against dera ?
    this shows the linkings between sikh clergy and khalistan. govt. administration is also not taking any action against this issue.
    this also shows the hands of govt. behind this mess.
    i as a citizen of india urge the govt. to take immediate action.

  5. vaibhu says

    well i want to add some important fact about all this mess that has been blown out of proportion.
    some anti social elements from sikh community are threatening the dera premis to stop going to dera and start going to gurudwaras and start donating funds at gurudwara. they are not allowed to do regular keertan and are threatened that they will be killed if they don’t follow them.Now as much as i know it is the fundamental right of every citizen of indian republic that any indian can practice any religion.then why are they being stopped from worshiping the religion they want?when administration is asked to register the case it simply rejects the plea,probably under the pressure of akali govt.
    is this what sikh are taught? its a shame.
    also one more point i am unable to understand that whenever there is any protest against dera by sikh clergy ,why and how the slogans of “khalistan jindabad” are heard?
    khalistan is a banned militant organization. what the hell is that doing in protest against dera ?
    this shows the linkings between sikh clergy and khalistan. govt. administration is also not taking any action against this issue.
    this also shows the hands of govt. behind this mess.
    i as a citizen of india urge the govt. to take immediate action.

  6. Desh says

    Vaibhav: I agree with you!! These Sikh leaders who are demo-ing is basically because they have reduced Sikhism to a joke!! That is why you see people seeking other means.

    And in any case, Dera Sacha Sauda – as far as i would believe – does not seek to replace Sikhism.. just re-inforce the basic teachings of Guru Nanak Dev. But then who cares about Guru Nanak in Akal Takht or SGPC… they are more worried about their own pockets and power! to heck with the Gurus’ real teachings.. as far as they are concerned!

  7. Desh says

    Vaibhav: I agree with you!! These Sikh leaders who are demo-ing is basically because they have reduced Sikhism to a joke!! That is why you see people seeking other means.

    And in any case, Dera Sacha Sauda – as far as i would believe – does not seek to replace Sikhism.. just re-inforce the basic teachings of Guru Nanak Dev. But then who cares about Guru Nanak in Akal Takht or SGPC… they are more worried about their own pockets and power! to heck with the Gurus’ real teachings.. as far as they are concerned!

  8. Anonymous says

    check this out.
    http://in.news.yahoo.com/07071
    CBI will nail all those people who will not support truth i.e if anybody in dera tried to tamper the evidence or lied, CBI and GOD will perish them the same way the GOD is insulting Ram Rahim.

  9. Anonymous says

    check this out.
    http://in.news.yahoo.com/070712/211/6hzej.html
    CBI will nail all those people who will not support truth i.e if anybody in dera tried to tamper the evidence or lied, CBI and GOD will perish them the same way the GOD is insulting Ram Rahim.

  10. kanwal jammu says

    please report full story ,
    why chattarpati murdered ?
    if he is wrong why dera take law in own hand the option of courts opened to them
    if they donot oblige the indian law what they r doing in india

    why afraid from cbi ?
    if there is noting wrong why they put pressure to transfer CBI officer
    why they started violence in bathinda whe siks r peacfully demonstrating

    if baba is god man why he used his goondas to kill chattarpati he can use his divine powers to fix him

    he is taking z security if he cannot save himself what about the followers

  11. Desh says

    Kanwal, good questions all! I did report subsequently about the murder and rape story in Dera. Read here: http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=

    Thanks,
    -d.

  12. kanwal jammu says

    please report full story ,
    why chattarpati murdered ?
    if he is wrong why dera take law in own hand the option of courts opened to them
    if they donot oblige the indian law what they r doing in india

    why afraid from cbi ?
    if there is noting wrong why they put pressure to transfer CBI officer
    why they started violence in bathinda whe siks r peacfully demonstrating

    if baba is god man why he used his goondas to kill chattarpati he can use his divine powers to fix him

    he is taking z security if he cannot save himself what about the followers

  13. Desh says

    Kanwal, good questions all! I did report subsequently about the murder and rape story in Dera. Read here: http://www.drishtikone.com/?q=story_of_rape_and_murder_from_dera_sacha_sauda

    Thanks,
    -d.

  14. A Sociologist says

    WHY SOME ELEMENTS CLAIMING THEM SIKHS ARE FEELING INSECURED FROM DERA HEAD?

    This is the question coming again and again into my thoughts. After this dera-sikh dispute, I listened very attentively and with an open mind to the dera satsangs and majlis. Let me tell the truth. Most if not everyone, atleast during the satangs/majlis inside the dera, seem to be at their most well-being state praying/dancing in love far away from hatred against any one. I could never hear, to my understanding of sikh history-traditions-teachings, anything against Sikhism or any other religion. The significance of this truth becomes many folds given that some forces could defame dera in the media very successfuly (almost perfectly). After every 7 days they are repeating Jame Insan ceremony (baptism) for atleast 50,000 followers, every last sunday of month some tens thousands get NAAM (method of meditation). The reason is simple. The dera teachings (as per the teachings of religions including sikhism) make a sense in the society. However, dera has nothing to do with the culture/tradition stuff. They emphasis on the teachings.

    I feel that this sense of insecurity would not help the community so far as human values are concerned. For example, dera head, when appeared in a dress, looked to be like Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, Punjab Police, could not find any similiarity of this dress to the original Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s dress when examined independenty from Dera head.

    According to me, Sikhs should not worried/feared from Dera. They are really doing nothing against anyone’s religious sentiments. Many times Dera head was heard preaching Please Follow Your Relgion!

  15. A Sociologist says

    WHY SOME ELEMENTS CLAIMING THEM SIKHS ARE FEELING INSECURED FROM DERA HEAD?

    This is the question coming again and again into my thoughts. After this dera-sikh dispute, I listened very attentively and with an open mind to the dera satsangs and majlis. Let me tell the truth. Most if not everyone, atleast during the satangs/majlis inside the dera, seem to be at their most well-being state praying/dancing in love far away from hatred against any one. I could never hear, to my understanding of sikh history-traditions-teachings, anything against Sikhism or any other religion. The significance of this truth becomes many folds given that some forces could defame dera in the media very successfuly (almost perfectly). After every 7 days they are repeating Jame Insan ceremony (baptism) for atleast 50,000 followers, every last sunday of month some tens thousands get NAAM (method of meditation). The reason is simple. The dera teachings (as per the teachings of religions including sikhism) make a sense in the society. However, dera has nothing to do with the culture/tradition stuff. They emphasis on the teachings.

    I feel that this sense of insecurity would not help the community so far as human values are concerned. For example, dera head, when appeared in a dress, looked to be like Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. However, Punjab Police, could not find any similiarity of this dress to the original Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s dress when examined independenty from Dera head.

    According to me, Sikhs should not worried/feared from Dera. They are really doing nothing against anyone’s religious sentiments. Many times Dera head was heard preaching Please Follow Your Relgion!

  16. Anonymous says

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  17. Desh says

    The blog was brought down by excessive spammed hack… it is trying to come back to line… it still has some issues.. would appreciate if you can pls let me know of the issues you are facing and also be a little patient…

  18. Desh says

    The blog was brought down by excessive spammed hack… it is trying to come back to line… it still has some issues.. would appreciate if you can pls let me know of the issues you are facing and also be a little patient…

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