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Time to send the CPI and CPM on a long foot voyage across Himalayas to China!

There was “no abstract right for self determination for any minority groups”; says Prakash Karat of CPI(M) in context of the Tibetans fight in Tibet against the Chinese.

Well… what about the basic human rights! Tibetans – specifically Dalai Lama – have long stopped fighting for the self determination or a separate country… they have been fighting for simple human rights! The Right to live as a human being! Is even that “an Abstract right” for a minority group??

India’s biggest failing in Kashmir has been that it did not do a good job of this with the Kashmiri Muslims. Of course, according to me, given how the Pakistani Army behaved with its Kashmiri soldiers in Kargil (left them without burial, made them “canon fodder’) it is difficult to say who has a worse record – India or Pakistan in dealing with Kashmiri Muslims .. specially when you know how the Pakistani Government had sold of part of Kashmir to China for its own interest as opposed to Kashmiri interests!

But isn’t that what the Communists have been arguing for? The Human Rights? What is obvious is that CPI (M) gets its mandate NOT from the Indian Constitution but the Chinese Government! I cannot see any reason why the Communist parties in India should be allowed to participate in the democratic process?? They are an extension of the already militant Maoist attack from an enemy nation and these Communists should be treated as enemies of the Indian state!!

At the very least, the talk and the actions (Nandigram) from the Communists in the last few years has bared their real self – they are no different in minds or deeds than Stalin, Mao or Hitler!

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They do not deserve any thing from the Indian tax payer so in my view they should be thrown out of the Indian nation and made to take the voyage over the Himalayas ON FOOT just as those poor Tibetans do running from the inhuman treatment of the Chinese!

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22 thoughts on “Time to send the CPI and CPM on a long foot voyage across Himalayas to China!”

  1. acha u tell me one thing….indians r a nation of boot lickers….whether we lick american/imperialist boots like u do sitting in that rotten decadent country or whether commies back home lick chinese boots…..no taking away from that….americans throw crumbs at us and the dogs that we indians are, we latch on to them like there is no tomorrow…

    savarkar and others were licking british boots pre independence…today the likes of adbani and jaswant singh are licking talbott and condoleezas boots….how come u silent on such issues….forgive my grammar and spelling, they are deliberate…

    take a chill pill bidesh or is it still desh…lal salaam…the revolution is nigh…

  2. What you say is complete rhetoric.. no substance. You havent said one thing that makes sense.

    How many Indian soldiers have died in a war against US? How much of Indian territory does US hold? How many countries does US arm against India? Did US give any Nukes to Pakistan to be used against us?

    You are so brain-washed and so clueless that its truly mind-boggling!

    Worst is to say that Savarkar was licking “Brit boots”! For a guy who spent his entire life in Andamans in a small prison – this is an absolute insult. You know its one thing to say that you do not agree with his ideology or philosophy.. but to make fun of people who have given their lives for your country’s independence makes you a complete WORM. Find the nearest gutter, please, will you?

  3. What you say is complete rhetoric.. no substance. You havent said one thing that makes sense.

    How many Indian soldiers have died in a war against US? How much of Indian territory does US hold? How many countries does US arm against India? Did US give any Nukes to Pakistan to be used against us?

    You are so brain-washed and so clueless that its truly mind-boggling!

    Worst is to say that Savarkar was licking “Brit boots”! For a guy who spent his entire life in Andamans in a small prison – this is an absolute insult. You know its one thing to say that you do not agree with his ideology or philosophy.. but to make fun of people who have given their lives for your country’s independence makes you a complete WORM. Find the nearest gutter, please, will you?

  4. The conditions in the prison of the Andamans were no doubt harsh but Savarkar was not one among them who faced it courageously. He appealed for clemency, first in 1911 and then again in 1913 , the latter during the visit of Sir Reginald Craddock. In a letter dated November 14, 1913 Savarkar (convict no. 32778) wrote to the Home Minister of the Government of India:
    “I hereby acknowledge that I had a fair trial and just sentence. I heartily abhor methods of violence resorted to in days gone by and I feel myself duty bound to uphold law and constitution [British] to the best of my powers and am willing to make the reform [i.e., the Montague-Chelmsford reforms of 1919 which did not satisfy the demands of the nationalist movement] a success in so far as I may be allowed to do so in future” .

    “If the government in their manifold beneficence and mercy release me, I for one cannot but be the staunchest advocate of constitutional progress and loyalty to the English government which is the foremost condition of that progress […] Moreover, my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those mislead young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide […] The Mighty alone can afford to be merciful and therefore where else can the prodigal son return but to the parental doors of the government” .

    the treachery of this traitor is only matched by your servility to the empire of evil.i have no intention of joining you in the gutter you scumbag.

  5. actually this is a GOd given opportunity..the tibetans are just pawns in the larger game between USA and China.USA is trying to use India to counter China. we need to settle the border problem with China in right earnest and maybe the Tibetans could be used as the sacrificial lambs. chanakya would have approved.

    Americans only pay lip service to the welfare of the Tibetans and the Indians are saddled with one lakh Tibetans who are abusing our hospitality.

    Varun

  6. and of course you are the only intelligent person alive.When you spout the lies and the perfidy of the imperialist machine it is fine, but when one gives instances of the treachery of the leading lights of the Sangh Parivar then he is brain washed. your patridge sized brain cannot comprehend this and so you get away by calling names…have a reasonable debate.

    America has a military presence in 128 nations of the world but then that is OK.
    America send its seventh fleet to intimidate India during 1971. that is also ok.
    America wants India to buy military hardware to save its companies from closing down but will not give us spares when we need them most. but then that is also Ok.
    America and the CIA has been financing BC Roy and Siddharth Shankar Ray (Read formr ambassador Moynihan’s book) against the Communists but that is ok.
    Had there not been a nation wide outrage the BJP would have sent Indian troops to fight Americas war in Iraq but that is also ok.

    Give me a break Desh.

  7. Look – whoever you are.. it is NOT about US or China. It is about India! When you say Mao is your Chairman when he was complicit in the war against India – which was in all cases a war of total deceit.. that’s what troubles.

    And about Savarkar – you cite a letter. First of all, its been a Leftist nonsense that was published in Frontline.. second, even if he DID write the letter – can you tell me what ACTUALLY HAPPENED? Did he come out? IF he was so eager to be pardoned and toe the Brit line.. . I am sure the Brits would have quite eager to help him as well! But did they?

    Gandhi toed the Brit line in the Round Table conference when Bhagat Singh -Sukhdev-Rajguru were to be hanged… and he was always rewarded for such actions. Why didn’t the Brits help Savarkar out?

    As far as the letters are concerned, they have no meaning in my eyes when they come from a communist mouthpiece. Specially because there is AMPLE evidence that the Communists in India have USED Chinese Government to target the Jan Sangh for years. So, unless you CITE ACTUAL OCCURENCES.. OCCURENCES mind you.. I would not tend to believe you.. and to me you will remain the same nonsense spewing idiot!

    So go home.. call your Chinese masters.. maybe they can give you some more gyan… maybe they can fax you some pages from Jaichand’s book.

  8. Look – whoever you are.. it is NOT about US or China. It is about India! When you say Mao is your Chairman when he was complicit in the war against India – which was in all cases a war of total deceit.. that’s what troubles.

    And about Savarkar – you cite a letter. First of all, its been a Leftist nonsense that was published in Frontline.. second, even if he DID write the letter – can you tell me what ACTUALLY HAPPENED? Did he come out? IF he was so eager to be pardoned and toe the Brit line.. . I am sure the Brits would have quite eager to help him as well! But did they?

    Gandhi toed the Brit line in the Round Table conference when Bhagat Singh -Sukhdev-Rajguru were to be hanged… and he was always rewarded for such actions. Why didn’t the Brits help Savarkar out?

    As far as the letters are concerned, they have no meaning in my eyes when they come from a communist mouthpiece. Specially because there is AMPLE evidence that the Communists in India have USED Chinese Government to target the Jan Sangh for years. So, unless you CITE ACTUAL OCCURENCES.. OCCURENCES mind you.. I would not tend to believe you.. and to me you will remain the same nonsense spewing idiot!

    So go home.. call your Chinese masters.. maybe they can give you some more gyan… maybe they can fax you some pages from Jaichand’s book.

  9. you are a player, on field umpire, third umpire, match referree and GOD rolled into one. You will decide what is right and what is wrong. who is brainwashed who is not.you will shift goalposts to suit yourself. and when you lose the argument you will foul mouth.So no point arguing with a dickhead like you.

  10. match referree and GOD rolled into one.

    was there any doubt about that? 🙂

    And if I judge you .. so do you. And its not as if you have not said anything that was not foul mouthing, have you?

    Look, I work with people as they are… I have the lowest opinion of people like you.. who enjoy the hospitality and the tax payer’s money of one country and praise another and play for their masters.

    I may be in the US, but I am an Indian citizen. For me the interests of India will always be paramount. I am under no illusion that US is always right. It is downright sadistic and masochistic as well.. and that is their problem.. as for me, Indian interests should count above all… as long as I am an Indian citizen.

    For me its not a US vs China debate.. you want to trash US.. go ahead. But stop littering India. With dirt like you.. thats what is happening in India. People like you have brought the state which gave the greatest minds like Vivekananda and Tagore to the country have given idiots like Basu and Buddha!

  11. match referree and GOD rolled into one.

    was there any doubt about that? 🙂

    And if I judge you .. so do you. And its not as if you have not said anything that was not foul mouthing, have you?

    Look, I work with people as they are… I have the lowest opinion of people like you.. who enjoy the hospitality and the tax payer’s money of one country and praise another and play for their masters.

    I may be in the US, but I am an Indian citizen. For me the interests of India will always be paramount. I am under no illusion that US is always right. It is downright sadistic and masochistic as well.. and that is their problem.. as for me, Indian interests should count above all… as long as I am an Indian citizen.

    For me its not a US vs China debate.. you want to trash US.. go ahead. But stop littering India. With dirt like you.. thats what is happening in India. People like you have brought the state which gave the greatest minds like Vivekananda and Tagore to the country have given idiots like Basu and Buddha!

  12. ok peace…that was a much more sober reply and i apologise if i caused hurt….

    but still i have to say that you are so full of yourself…extra territorial loyalties…khaate ho US ka aur dua dete ho Bharat ka…wah wah wah.:-)
    you continue to remain a Hypocrite of the highest order…:-)

    anyway my loyalties are also with the Indian nation but cannot countenance a situation where we have people of the Right in India blindly following their american masters… clearly ur not one of them…so long…..

  13. As far as I am concerned – I dont care for your type of people and hope and wish that parasites like you could be thrown out of the country. You have no right to be living in India while you support the enemies of the nation.

    Worst still you have no qualms to uphold the genocide of Tibetans by the Chinese. At least people here in the US speak out against the mess in Iraq by the US. You are the worst that it comes to in terms of hypocrisy.

    Regarding my living in US and “enjoying” the benefits – I pay taxes here… and will live here until US and Indian interests match. The day I feel India and US are antagonistic, I will leave.

    I feel that the best place for people like you is some where on the mountains near Tibet so you get the full benefit of the Chinese hospitality.

  14. As far as I am concerned – I dont care for your type of people and hope and wish that parasites like you could be thrown out of the country. You have no right to be living in India while you support the enemies of the nation.

    Worst still you have no qualms to uphold the genocide of Tibetans by the Chinese. At least people here in the US speak out against the mess in Iraq by the US. You are the worst that it comes to in terms of hypocrisy.

    Regarding my living in US and “enjoying” the benefits – I pay taxes here… and will live here until US and Indian interests match. The day I feel India and US are antagonistic, I will leave.

    I feel that the best place for people like you is some where on the mountains near Tibet so you get the full benefit of the Chinese hospitality.

  15. More on the treachery of Savarkar your hero. Actually both of you are quite alike when it comes to treason and treachery.

    http://www.cpim.org/pd/2002/may12/05122002_savarkar.htm

    http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/fline/fl2006/stories/20030328003603400.htm

    The Americans would do well to concentrate on the gross violations of human rights against blacks, hispanics and Asians in their own countries before concentrating on the law and order problem by the Dalai Lama clique in Tibet, an integral part of China.every sovereign nation is duty bound to act with alacrity and firmness if there are recalcitrant people who try to undermine the nation.

    You are like a watermelon. Green outside but red inside.
    You are the ultimate Trojan horse.You truly amaze me. Like the rats who are the first to jump off a sinking ship,you will leave America at the first sign of an economic downturn and then masquerade your evil intentions by saying that you pay taxes.Reminds me of the child who not satisfied with the mothers milk goes for the mothers blood. You are the most virulent form of cancer. You are a disease for which there is no cure.You should be tried for high treason no less.

    Yes i do live in the mountains(Indian side) and i also pay taxes. Hows that?

  16. Hahaha … providing evidence from Devil’s notebook of how some one is bad? CPIM and Hindu (Commie mouthpiece) ke link de kar you are showing “evidence” on Savarkar?

    There are reams and reams on the treachery of CPI and CPIM in CIA papers of how these idiots Surjeet and Basu tried to weaken India around 1961 Indo China war.. and were arrested and thrown in jail.. search in this site and you will find the evidence!

    “Dalai Lama clique in Tibet” – no wonder you take the orders from HU.. right? Aaj ka radio aaya kya Hu se? CPI also had a radio installed in the CPI headquarters to get special orders from the Chinese Govt. atthe Height of Indo Chinese tension! You cant be much different are you?

    Before you say something against Dalai Lama – you should be ashamed of yourself. Really. For someone who shows nothing but compassion.. you guys are no less than HItler.

    You mark my words.. the End of China and the red is near. Just like Hitler was routed after he thought that he was invincible because of West’s appeasement and apathy.. but once the forces struck him, he succumbed.

    And as for my flight from US on recession.. you have good imagination… yes, I will leave for India.. any problems? I am here only to make money and until I live here I am living here legally and correctly and I dont go around conspiring against my host.

    You know if this had been a commie site and I had written like you do.. the commies would have banned such entries long time back… 🙂 But you are such a spectacle..

    Keep writing.. its hillarious to read people like you and this also bares the commies in India for the rest of the Indians.

    And next time before you write.. naak saaf kar na bhai.. you stink!

  17. Hahaha … providing evidence from Devil’s notebook of how some one is bad? CPIM and Hindu (Commie mouthpiece) ke link de kar you are showing “evidence” on Savarkar?

    There are reams and reams on the treachery of CPI and CPIM in CIA papers of how these idiots Surjeet and Basu tried to weaken India around 1961 Indo China war.. and were arrested and thrown in jail.. search in this site and you will find the evidence!

    “Dalai Lama clique in Tibet” – no wonder you take the orders from HU.. right? Aaj ka radio aaya kya Hu se? CPI also had a radio installed in the CPI headquarters to get special orders from the Chinese Govt. atthe Height of Indo Chinese tension! You cant be much different are you?

    Before you say something against Dalai Lama – you should be ashamed of yourself. Really. For someone who shows nothing but compassion.. you guys are no less than HItler.

    You mark my words.. the End of China and the red is near. Just like Hitler was routed after he thought that he was invincible because of West’s appeasement and apathy.. but once the forces struck him, he succumbed.

    And as for my flight from US on recession.. you have good imagination… yes, I will leave for India.. any problems? I am here only to make money and until I live here I am living here legally and correctly and I dont go around conspiring against my host.

    You know if this had been a commie site and I had written like you do.. the commies would have banned such entries long time back… 🙂 But you are such a spectacle..

    Keep writing.. its hillarious to read people like you and this also bares the commies in India for the rest of the Indians.

    And next time before you write.. naak saaf kar na bhai.. you stink!

  18. After viewing political mess in INDIA for so many days, I tried to understand who is Left and why so many people doesn’t like them. Went through the history of CPI, CPI-ML, Indian Forward Bloc and all other factions. One thing I am not able to understand this groups follow the philosophy but they don’t want to fit the philosophy for INDIA. The way Chinese modified the philosophy why these people doesn’t want to do that? I might be wrong but overall when I see any notes on any website or comments it links them to China and everybody knows Chinese are the worst at Human Right Violations. What is the use of philosophy which is meant for improving human life and values.

    I believe, all Indian communist party need to be first become citizen of INDIA and based on that need to refine their policy, whatever policy should be adopted at the end of the day it should showcase betterment of the nation and citizens of that country.

    Today, I see Indian Communist party doesn’t want to sign deal because it is with US at the same time they are saying to Samajwadi Party that you should also not sign because Muslim community want like. Does community comes first or nation? Come on people get mature, In today’s world even Muslim people would like to survive.

    I need to ask communist party, if there is no electricity in Muslim family house then they will not complain, from where you will bring the energy resource. If US is helping us in securing energy what is the problem? See China the way they are securing the energy for whom they are doing, for their fellow countrymen not for us.

    I appreciate the role of communist party as critic in an UPA but critic cannot be a show stopper. If you want to become showstopper then show your metal, come out of the UPA party at one shot. This what I like of BJP party or their philosophy. Decision need to be taken and stick to your decision. Why communist party is changing their decision now and then, are they confused or they are making citizen confused.

    When I was reading some of the sentence of CPI philosophy, there it was mentioned they believe in castless society that is good for everybody then why you are all saying that Muslim community want like the nuclear deal? Are you not becoming the communal force just like any other political party.

    I believe only in one thing, if communist party need respect they should respect Indian citizen, their values, philosophy and adapt to INDIA culture don’t force other culture or philosophy. This will become another TIBET.

    For communist party, TIBET was autonomous region, China overtook it and now wants to control.

    China ambition is also the same that of US would like to be the world leader by any means. In the fight between China and US, communist party need to decide would like to work for INDIA betterment?

    By the way, I don’t have that much free time like communist people so please excuse me if I don’t comment as I might be reviewing other articles of strike or non-productivity of Indian citizens due to the CPI strikes or unnecessary hadtals.

  19. After viewing political mess in INDIA for so many days, I tried to understand who is Left and why so many people doesn’t like them. Went through the history of CPI, CPI-ML, Indian Forward Bloc and all other factions. One thing I am not able to understand this groups follow the philosophy but they don’t want to fit the philosophy for INDIA. The way Chinese modified the philosophy why these people doesn’t want to do that? I might be wrong but overall when I see any notes on any website or comments it links them to China and everybody knows Chinese are the worst at Human Right Violations. What is the use of philosophy which is meant for improving human life and values.

    I believe, all Indian communist party need to be first become citizen of INDIA and based on that need to refine their policy, whatever policy should be adopted at the end of the day it should showcase betterment of the nation and citizens of that country.

    Today, I see Indian Communist party doesn’t want to sign deal because it is with US at the same time they are saying to Samajwadi Party that you should also not sign because Muslim community want like. Does community comes first or nation? Come on people get mature, In today’s world even Muslim people would like to survive.

    I need to ask communist party, if there is no electricity in Muslim family house then they will not complain, from where you will bring the energy resource. If US is helping us in securing energy what is the problem? See China the way they are securing the energy for whom they are doing, for their fellow countrymen not for us.

    I appreciate the role of communist party as critic in an UPA but critic cannot be a show stopper. If you want to become showstopper then show your metal, come out of the UPA party at one shot. This what I like of BJP party or their philosophy. Decision need to be taken and stick to your decision. Why communist party is changing their decision now and then, are they confused or they are making citizen confused.

    When I was reading some of the sentence of CPI philosophy, there it was mentioned they believe in castless society that is good for everybody then why you are all saying that Muslim community want like the nuclear deal? Are you not becoming the communal force just like any other political party.

    I believe only in one thing, if communist party need respect they should respect Indian citizen, their values, philosophy and adapt to INDIA culture don’t force other culture or philosophy. This will become another TIBET.

    For communist party, TIBET was autonomous region, China overtook it and now wants to control.

    China ambition is also the same that of US would like to be the world leader by any means. In the fight between China and US, communist party need to decide would like to work for INDIA betterment?

    By the way, I don’t have that much free time like communist people so please excuse me if I don’t comment as I might be reviewing other articles of strike or non-productivity of Indian citizens due to the CPI strikes or unnecessary hadtals.

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