An Indian Civilizational Perspective

When Gurus are no more than Prostitutes

Satsang is said to be an important part of the spiritual journey in Hinduism. It is so important that its praise is sung all over the place. But if one looks carefully, one would find that the religious could not have come up with a greater oxymoron that this.

It is said that when all attachments are broken – you are one with the “Truth” or Sat. In Gita, that is what Krishna says. So, clearly, attachment to all – even the notion of “Truth” will be gone when you are in communion with the Truth. Until that time, however, you are just using words or concepts that you feel like calling Truth or God, but its just mind-stuff (something conjured up by mind). And whatever this mind can think of or understand – that is certainly not the Truth as in the spiritual sense. “Truth” is infinite and beyond the mind.

So, what does “Satsang” really stand for? Sat means Truth, and Sang means company or association. Surely, the person who came up with this word had not really appreciated the issues that this word – shallow as it is – could create! Its only when all association has subsided that the “Sat” can be witnessed!

Satsang for most of the initiated has become an exercise into satisfaction of, what I call, their “Lust for God”. Seekers are not seeking freedom or the Truth.. they are seeking to be satisfied every time they enter a Satsang. They do want to face the harsh reality that they are responsible for their own Nirvana but they want a pill a week to give them that shot of satisfaction!

Satsang for so long has been like an exercise in Spiritual prostitution. Like people go to a prostitute to get satisfaction of the body, people go to satsang to get satisfaction of the mind. What happens at Satsang has little to do with spiritual awakening or making people “aware” of their own consciousness. It is more to do with oneupmanship or repeating something over and over again – without any seriousness, awareness or realization .. and there is this complete facetiousness to make the seeker get “happiness” ONE MORE TIME – fulfillment of a very narrow desire!!

Freedom does not come from temporary satisfaction. Desires seek satisfaction. Freedom, however, beckons every bit of consciousness out of its own bounds – and there is no seeking in it. Seeking is necessarily accompanied by desire for fulfillment. And then it becomes the all-consuming passion. The ability to free one-self is then clouded by the race to seek satisfaction or escape from the everyday guilt and sorrow.

The guts to look at sorrow and one’s guilt “straight in the eye” are not there… the meek seeker who is pushed along by faith and belief is content on reflected joy. A joy which is no more permanent than the orgasm from a prostitute’s services. The temporary joy gotten.. its back to the same world. The mind is no richer. The desires no less.. the guilt no less.. and anger is the same… until the mind seeks another round of mental satisfaction.. and it is weekend again.. back to the congregation again!

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18 Comments
  1. Anonymous says

    To detach one has to get attach first, to know the true meaning of freedom , true guru and disciple walk together in search of truth till a certain distance where guru is aware when he has to detach and student learn in the process
    you said ‘desire seek satisfaction’ it s a vicious circle whether its desire of freedom or freedom from desire, to get this understanding of non duality one birth is not said to be enough sometimes
    unfortunately it takes many kal and yug to get one Abhimanyu of spiritual world, who has all the know how of the exits from this vicious circle, prior to his birth!

  2. Anonymous says

    To detach one has to get attach first, to know the true meaning of freedom , true guru and disciple walk together in search of truth till a certain distance where guru is aware when he has to detach and student learn in the process
    you said ‘desire seek satisfaction’ it s a vicious circle whether its desire of freedom or freedom from desire, to get this understanding of non duality one birth is not said to be enough sometimes
    unfortunately it takes many kal and yug to get one Abhimanyu of spiritual world, who has all the know how of the exits from this vicious circle, prior to his birth!

  3. Jeshi says

    Guru to Guru hai.These”Gurus” that you have equated with the practioners of the oldest trade are mere religious speakers of what everyone knows,but has no time to acknowledge.
    “Guru” is a guide who guides through right and wrong,the truth and the untrue,a person who is a well wisher,a friend,a philosopher,who protects us against the evil,rejoices in achievements and happiness.Look no further, for , yours parents could be the “Guru” that people so earnestly seek.

    jeshi

  4. Desh says

    Jeshi – you got me wrong. I am not dissuading people from going to Satsang. I am merely saying that people have made a mockery of Satsang. Satsang – oxymoronic implications apart – is being in company of Truth. And that company of Truth is not with people.. but when your mind is still. You may go to listen to people – but not to merely listen.. but to truly understand what that person has said or is saying.

    To show you the greatest example of idiocy of the people who listen to messages and still don’t understand even a bit of it – In Gita, Krishna tells Arjun again and again that DO NOT GRIEVE – you have to fight as it is your duty. Grieving over your relatives is stupid.. because.. and then he goes into the discourse on Atma, Parmatma, Karma etc. YET, after Mahabharata BOTH, Arjun and Yudhister went to penance from the guilt of Kurukshetra! To me I havent seen a more stupid pupil in my life.. “Saari raat Gita padi, aur suba poochta hai ki Atma kya thi?” You feel like asking those two guys.. what greater message and what greater authority did you need to learn that Mahabharata was a mere ACTION!! A duty. There was nothing Good or Bad .. no sin or good done in there. I can only imagine the frustration of Krishna. I can see that clearly in Gita anyways.. but I really admire his patience with idiots around him even more now!!

    Such things happen because we make a mockery of the message.

    If I have equated Guru to a Prostitute – its not because He/She is one.. its because WE, ourselves MAKE HIM one through our TREATMENT! WE are not serious. We treat him as an object of satisfaction rather than a guide! The Value of a communion of the spiritual is NOT in the company – but how WE treat it as. Under the hood of religious symbols and the “piety” – the truth is that we have the same temporary relationship (created by US) with the spiritual journey as we have with the lust of our body. No difference!

  5. Desh says

    Pramila – the know-how and the steps to the Truth are all given – all over the place. We just blind ourselves to it. We have very narrow minds with which we listen and read… and another problem is that we are bound by tradition, power of authority and piety so we do not even question our own prejudices.

    There is only one question to ask – “Who Am I?”. Just one question and seriously enough. And the Truth will reveal itself.

  6. Jeshi says

    Guru to Guru hai.These”Gurus” that you have equated with the practioners of the oldest trade are mere religious speakers of what everyone knows,but has no time to acknowledge.
    “Guru” is a guide who guides through right and wrong,the truth and the untrue,a person who is a well wisher,a friend,a philosopher,who protects us against the evil,rejoices in achievements and happiness.Look no further, for , yours parents could be the “Guru” that people so earnestly seek.

    jeshi

  7. Desh says

    Jeshi – you got me wrong. I am not dissuading people from going to Satsang. I am merely saying that people have made a mockery of Satsang. Satsang – oxymoronic implications apart – is being in company of Truth. And that company of Truth is not with people.. but when your mind is still. You may go to listen to people – but not to merely listen.. but to truly understand what that person has said or is saying.

    To show you the greatest example of idiocy of the people who listen to messages and still don’t understand even a bit of it – In Gita, Krishna tells Arjun again and again that DO NOT GRIEVE – you have to fight as it is your duty. Grieving over your relatives is stupid.. because.. and then he goes into the discourse on Atma, Parmatma, Karma etc. YET, after Mahabharata BOTH, Arjun and Yudhister went to penance from the guilt of Kurukshetra! To me I havent seen a more stupid pupil in my life.. “Saari raat Gita padi, aur suba poochta hai ki Atma kya thi?” You feel like asking those two guys.. what greater message and what greater authority did you need to learn that Mahabharata was a mere ACTION!! A duty. There was nothing Good or Bad .. no sin or good done in there. I can only imagine the frustration of Krishna. I can see that clearly in Gita anyways.. but I really admire his patience with idiots around him even more now!!

    Such things happen because we make a mockery of the message.

    If I have equated Guru to a Prostitute – its not because He/She is one.. its because WE, ourselves MAKE HIM one through our TREATMENT! WE are not serious. We treat him as an object of satisfaction rather than a guide! The Value of a communion of the spiritual is NOT in the company – but how WE treat it as. Under the hood of religious symbols and the “piety” – the truth is that we have the same temporary relationship (created by US) with the spiritual journey as we have with the lust of our body. No difference!

  8. Desh says

    Pramila – the know-how and the steps to the Truth are all given – all over the place. We just blind ourselves to it. We have very narrow minds with which we listen and read… and another problem is that we are bound by tradition, power of authority and piety so we do not even question our own prejudices.

    There is only one question to ask – “Who Am I?”. Just one question and seriously enough. And the Truth will reveal itself.

  9. Anonymous says

    Then every other in our life becomes a prostitue ? because that other person in life is seeked as company?. friends, children, relatives… those varied relationship teach us something of life and in life what is not so spiritual?? .

  10. Anonymous says

    Then every other in our life becomes a prostitue ? because that other person in life is seeked as company?. friends, children, relatives… those varied relationship teach us something of life and in life what is not so spiritual?? .

  11. pramila says

    In that authentic relationship of Guru and disciple is then The guru remain that other? There is a spiritual communion between the two they become ONE, in such communion just sitting near the enlighten guru the wisdom transpire who is open and ready to receive .
    Same, as knowledge passed to Abhimanyu while in his mother womb he learned the technique to enter the charkaviyu but could not learn the exit because his mother Subhadra slept while Arjuna was explaining the know how to come out. so sometimes disciple also sleep and left with half knowledge and then after learn, paying price for it.
    I asked this question to self’ Who am I ‘ and got the answer’ I am you’ . Yes Desh we all are ONE, somewhere connected from the source by that Invisible string of consciousness whenever we lapse the identification with the ‘I’ ness, with our body and are quite in speech the other become I .
    Dr, Chopra has asked a question on Intent blog today ‘how the mystery of consciousness can be solved objectively?’’ I guess various scripture and why history only science has the simple explanation for it ,The energy and its manifestation! Earth is a live cell when one get tuned up with that piety energy or consciousness it reflects accordingly, objectively, only human brain has the capacity to reflect that consciousness as it is who is aware recognise it one who is not, live unsatisfied one who has tasted it start seeking in various way but the ultimate goal is THAT to be one with consciousness!
    It manifest according to its receptors, in various forms, species varied individuals, with varied degree of wisdom in varied fields etc.etc precisely everything of this Earth
    When such manifestation and reflection of light, energy happens through a pious individual who has the trait of Guru is altogether of a different quality ! In company of such pure light which is of beyond then whatever comes in its association gets transpire slowly slowly…! Transferor then may look h/her in whatever way as Mata, Pita parmatma friend, beloved or just an object of satisfaction as you said …
    But Rang chadhe bina nahi rehta

  12. pramila says

    In that authentic relationship of Guru and disciple is then The guru remain that other? There is a spiritual communion between the two they become ONE, in such communion just sitting near the enlighten guru the wisdom transpire who is open and ready to receive .
    Same, as knowledge passed to Abhimanyu while in his mother womb he learned the technique to enter the charkaviyu but could not learn the exit because his mother Subhadra slept while Arjuna was explaining the know how to come out. so sometimes disciple also sleep and left with half knowledge and then after learn, paying price for it.
    I asked this question to self’ Who am I ‘ and got the answer’ I am you’ . Yes Desh we all are ONE, somewhere connected from the source by that Invisible string of consciousness whenever we lapse the identification with the ‘I’ ness, with our body and are quite in speech the other become I .
    Dr, Chopra has asked a question on Intent blog today ‘how the mystery of consciousness can be solved objectively?’’ I guess various scripture and why history only science has the simple explanation for it ,The energy and its manifestation! Earth is a live cell when one get tuned up with that piety energy or consciousness it reflects accordingly, objectively, only human brain has the capacity to reflect that consciousness as it is who is aware recognise it one who is not, live unsatisfied one who has tasted it start seeking in various way but the ultimate goal is THAT to be one with consciousness!
    It manifest according to its receptors, in various forms, species varied individuals, with varied degree of wisdom in varied fields etc.etc precisely everything of this Earth
    When such manifestation and reflection of light, energy happens through a pious individual who has the trait of Guru is altogether of a different quality ! In company of such pure light which is of beyond then whatever comes in its association gets transpire slowly slowly…! Transferor then may look h/her in whatever way as Mata, Pita parmatma friend, beloved or just an object of satisfaction as you said …
    But Rang chadhe bina nahi rehta

  13. Vishwajit says

    This post seems to suggest that people – especially young people – flock to Satsangs leaving everything else behind just like they would for the attractions of a loose woman. On the other hand, I have seen that there is only a very small fraction of young people who actually want to visit a ‘satsang’ (whatever the program there may be). People will happily go to a beer/football party or movie or boolywood concert but “satsang to buddhon ke liye hai bhai, hum to abhi jawan hain”.

    This post also suggests that people are getting “temporary joy” from attending satsangs. Nothing is farther from the truth. Most of the young people visit a satsang for other reasons. Firstly, most go mainly to accompany their parents, so they talk on their cell phones while parents/wives listen to the proceedings. I see a lot of people going to the temple (usual satsang location) mainly hoping to BUY insurance – they guess that the poor God who sits inside the idol at the temple will give them success in business or exams or other quests in return for a donation of some money or flowers or doing dandvat-pranam in front of the idol. As if the poor God is needy of those things or respect.

    Satsang need not be company of a person. What it really means is company of good thoughts – which may be even from studying books, or imbibing something via other media. The idea being that some of the thoughts might register on the mind so that the person might get nudged in the right direction and do some good for himself or society. If one goes to a satsang with a positive mind as a seeker, then one can learn even from a simple idea. But if one equates going to a satsang with going to a prostitute (like this article does) then even the company of a saint’s thoughts will do not good.

    The residual anger and frustration that this post alludes to is not the fault of the Satsang-source; it is the fault of the satsangi (attendee). He/she probably went there to to socialize, show one’s face to other people or to talk on his cell phone. BTW, the title and first few words of this post (which is all most people read) suggest that Satsangs are a bad idea and betray that you are hemmed in by a high wall of frustration. You could have chosen your words better.

  14. Vishwajit says

    This post seems to suggest that people – especially young people – flock to Satsangs leaving everything else behind just like they would for the attractions of a loose woman. On the other hand, I have seen that there is only a very small fraction of young people who actually want to visit a ‘satsang’ (whatever the program there may be). People will happily go to a beer/football party or movie or boolywood concert but “satsang to buddhon ke liye hai bhai, hum to abhi jawan hain”.

    This post also suggests that people are getting “temporary joy” from attending satsangs. Nothing is farther from the truth. Most of the young people visit a satsang for other reasons. Firstly, most go mainly to accompany their parents, so they talk on their cell phones while parents/wives listen to the proceedings. I see a lot of people going to the temple (usual satsang location) mainly hoping to BUY insurance – they guess that the poor God who sits inside the idol at the temple will give them success in business or exams or other quests in return for a donation of some money or flowers or doing dandvat-pranam in front of the idol. As if the poor God is needy of those things or respect.

    Satsang need not be company of a person. What it really means is company of good thoughts – which may be even from studying books, or imbibing something via other media. The idea being that some of the thoughts might register on the mind so that the person might get nudged in the right direction and do some good for himself or society. If one goes to a satsang with a positive mind as a seeker, then one can learn even from a simple idea. But if one equates going to a satsang with going to a prostitute (like this article does) then even the company of a saint’s thoughts will do not good.

    The residual anger and frustration that this post alludes to is not the fault of the Satsang-source; it is the fault of the satsangi (attendee). He/she probably went there to to socialize, show one’s face to other people or to talk on his cell phone. BTW, the title and first few words of this post (which is all most people read) suggest that Satsangs are a bad idea and betray that you are hemmed in by a high wall of frustration. You could have chosen your words better.

  15. Desh says

    Vishwa –

    The words are deliberately chosen to bring the shallowness of what Satsang has become.

    Go beyond what we are “told” – but find out for yourself … NOT using your past or your knowledge… but truly yourself on your own.. and see what is meant by Satsang?

    In its purest form – Satsang literally means – association with Truth. But the problem is the limitation of words here. Dissociation is the first step to Truth – Truth, that which is used in Sat-Chit-Anand – which is nothing but synonyms of “God” or that final conscious state. Something that is beyond words, is difficult to explain… so our Rishis used words as estimations. But beyond the words.. there is a direction, which we have not understood.

    Sitting in the company of Saints doesn’t get one anything prima facie. Its NOT about the Outer Guru, but the Inner Guru. If Outer Gurus could get one to the final Satchitanand state, then why would people have hurt Guru Tegh Bahadur? Why have the Saints been tortured? Why have the VERY closest of associates (the followers) always failed the Gurus?

    If the “Inner Guru” is not awakened – then Outer Guru is of no use, and if “Inner Guru” is awakened, the “Outer Guru” is not required!

    We all go to “Satsang” congregations, but barring for rituals of singing, reciting, doing various acts, and think we are done! Following any method blindly with any awareness of the moment, is ritualistic and of no use. Even listening to a “realized” Guru is a RITUAL!

    All the great Gurus have emphasized that the messenger is NOT important – the message is. Vasistha did that, Krishna did that (in his own way) etc… but did we listen? We still went after their person! We have an image of what the Guru *should* be and we look for that person. So engrossed are we in EVALUATION, JUDGMENTS of a person, that we completely MISS the message. So, if (at the least) learning was our goal – then we have CHEATED ourselves and are not even honest to admit it!!

  16. Desh says

    Vishwa –

    The words are deliberately chosen to bring the shallowness of what Satsang has become.

    Go beyond what we are “told” – but find out for yourself … NOT using your past or your knowledge… but truly yourself on your own.. and see what is meant by Satsang?

    In its purest form – Satsang literally means – association with Truth. But the problem is the limitation of words here. Dissociation is the first step to Truth – Truth, that which is used in Sat-Chit-Anand – which is nothing but synonyms of “God” or that final conscious state. Something that is beyond words, is difficult to explain… so our Rishis used words as estimations. But beyond the words.. there is a direction, which we have not understood.

    Sitting in the company of Saints doesn’t get one anything prima facie. Its NOT about the Outer Guru, but the Inner Guru. If Outer Gurus could get one to the final Satchitanand state, then why would people have hurt Guru Tegh Bahadur? Why have the Saints been tortured? Why have the VERY closest of associates (the followers) always failed the Gurus?

    If the “Inner Guru” is not awakened – then Outer Guru is of no use, and if “Inner Guru” is awakened, the “Outer Guru” is not required!

    We all go to “Satsang” congregations, but barring for rituals of singing, reciting, doing various acts, and think we are done! Following any method blindly with any awareness of the moment, is ritualistic and of no use. Even listening to a “realized” Guru is a RITUAL!

    All the great Gurus have emphasized that the messenger is NOT important – the message is. Vasistha did that, Krishna did that (in his own way) etc… but did we listen? We still went after their person! We have an image of what the Guru *should* be and we look for that person. So engrossed are we in EVALUATION, JUDGMENTS of a person, that we completely MISS the message. So, if (at the least) learning was our goal – then we have CHEATED ourselves and are not even honest to admit it!!

  17. Psiplex says

    You stated: “Desires seek satisfaction. Freedom, however, beckons every bit of consciousness out of its own bounds – and there is no seeking in it.”
    Hit me like a brick in the face and resonated!

    There is a real concern with the rash of McGurus who give you a happy meal.
    I like your other post with Mooji, who really resonates with what is real for folks-right there along side them not ABOVE them. It is grace anyway. Nothing to be done by a ‘me’.

    One Love
    Psiplex
    http://www.psiplex.com

  18. Psiplex says

    You stated: “Desires seek satisfaction. Freedom, however, beckons every bit of consciousness out of its own bounds – and there is no seeking in it.”
    Hit me like a brick in the face and resonated!

    There is a real concern with the rash of McGurus who give you a happy meal.
    I like your other post with Mooji, who really resonates with what is real for folks-right there along side them not ABOVE them. It is grace anyway. Nothing to be done by a ‘me’.

    One Love
    Psiplex
    http://www.psiplex.com

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