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Zaid Hamid and the Hallucinating Pakistani minds

A commenter had mentioned this guy called Zaid Hamid. I have been listening to his discussions which follow a unique pattern that I have ONLY seen in the analysts of Pakistan: Delusionary, Inflammatory, Provocative and downright Hallucinating.

Here he talks of a few things that prove this point:

1. “We should reject Commonwealth and treat it with as much contempt as it treats us. After all we don’t need any of these bodies for our economic strength”. Hmmm.. that’s a lot of confidence from a guy whose country has just enough money that can probably (not certain) pay for next two weeks!!!

2. “We have China as our friend, we lead the Muslim world who will come to our rescue always and help us economically”. Again, I was kinda wondering who amongst these “friends” gave their Finance Minister and the President a “CHEQUE” when these two officials went to the so-called friends??? They finally got some chips in their begging bowl from IMF on very tough terms!! India offered to give some money, but I am not sure where it went?

3. He talks of Burma as the place over which the war would happen because of Oil. Nice theory, but here is an article from the Chinese Government mouthpiece “People’s Daily” where it explains that 6 countries are collborating in Myanmar’s oil and gas exploration: Thailand, Malaysia, Russia, Australia, India and Singapore. And has this to say about Russia and Indian collaboration in Myanmar:

This year was signified by the involvement for the first time of an oil company from Russia in cooperation with Myanmar and India to explore oil and natural gas at a block lying off the Mottama offshore area. Under a production sharing contract initiated in September by the JSC Zarubezhneft Itera Oil and Gas Company of Russia, the Sun Group of India and the state-run Myanmar Oil and Gas Enterprise (MOGE), the three companies will carry out the undertaking at block M-8 in the offshore area.

4. I find it very inrtiguing that this guy is advocating putting all the chips for security in China! Pakistan is a surrogate for China.. carrying out its strategy to fight India and also keeping the Islamists away from its own Muslim province where it butchers the Muslims anyways – Tibetan style! Now, interestingly in NO WAR – 1965, 1971 or even during Kargil, has China EVER helped Pakistan militarily or economically! When Pakistani forces were capitulating and Nawaz Sharif was shaking.. he ran to US!! China was NOWHERE TO BE SEEN! If I were a Pakistani analyst with even puny of a useless brain… I would have figured it out already. But it takes someone SO drunk on self-confidence when SO close to the brink only soothing hallucinations to keep alive his hope in life. For that, I will not fault this Hamid guy.

In the video he now spews venom against India – and again reiterates and repeats the same forlorn hope that I have heard the Pakistani analysts repeat since the 1980s – that India will collapse on its own because of the “so many separatist movements”.

Again, an interesting theory and something that many may start believing in, but the truth is that despite their BEST efforts, its Pakistan that may soon be broken into pieces as a new redrawn map from some US circles is to be believed.

A redrawn map of South Asia showing a truncated Pakistan, reduced to an elongated sliver of land, has sparked fear among military planners in Islamabad who think India and Afghanistan are “colluding” to destroy the only nuclear powered-Muslim nation with the US help, a media report said on Sunday.

Again, this guy’s bravado is appreciable but the real danger today is for Pakistan. So if he cares to look around in his own country, he will find that if what is going on in the country keep going on the way it is going, then very soon Pakistan will only be limited to Punjab province! Balochistan, Sindh, NWFP are already having their own thoughts, and FATA region is not too happy with the Pakistan forces and Government in any case.

And I have not even started talking of how Al Qaeda and Taliban are slowly but SURELY creeping on to Islamabad. So, what Pakistanis call “Pakistan” is a short term existence. I see a Taliban/AlQaeda ruled Pakistan (on the lines of Afghanistan) coming into existence by the same time NEXT YEAR. No later. And if the world thought Afghanistan under Taliban rule was bad (as the master mind of 9-11), wait till the world wakes one day to Taliban-ruled Pakistan!!

Mark my words – the Mumbai Attack will prove as the PENULTIMATE NAIL in the Coffin of Pakistan’s existence. The next and the last nail will be dug in the Capital of Islamabad by the Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters.

The passion he has against “Zionists” will of course, help him survive that time, but the cute girl who is questioning him will either be head to toe in Burkha or would have been shot by then (something like this).

I am not being sensationalist. It is a reality and many Pakistanis will surely say I am talking nonsense, but that is because they are fed such nonsense which has no relation to reality.. day in and day out!! Conspiracy theories are the staple in that country and their mainstream media is even worse than the UK tabloids!! If the common man was to wake up to the mess that such inane theories and nonsense of terrorism is creating then it might save them from a disaster that is just around the corner.

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  1. Found a bunch of stuff on this conspiracy peddler from Pakistan. Reminds me of Michael Savage who is a radio host in the United States.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/kh

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/prin

    He is a self styled security analyst with his own think tank. Even a cursory search on Google reveals that he has many admirers online.
    He even has a Facebook page for his show Brass Tacks and one that wants him to be president of Pakistan. Hilarious!

  2. Found a bunch of stuff on this conspiracy peddler from Pakistan. Reminds me of Michael Savage who is a radio host in the United States.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/khawajak

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=149587

    He is a self styled security analyst with his own think tank. Even a cursory search on Google reveals that he has many admirers online.
    He even has a Facebook page for his show Brass Tacks and one that wants him to be president of Pakistan. Hilarious!

  3. There is a term in Hindi – Vinash kalya-vipreet buddhi … meaning when the bad time comes a person’s intellect goes negative. If you find this joker to be brilliant… then I wish you all the best. We will touch base next year… hopefully you will still be on the internet.

  4. There is a term in Hindi – Vinash kalya-vipreet buddhi … meaning when the bad time comes a person’s intellect goes negative. If you find this joker to be brilliant… then I wish you all the best. We will touch base next year… hopefully you will still be on the internet.

  5. unless i say you are brilliant you will condemn me….so just to keep you happy i must say that your cut paste articles are brilliant…Happy? And of course i will be on the internet. why has the “brilliant” desh something else for humanity?

  6. unless i say you are brilliant you will condemn me….so just to keep you happy i must say that your cut paste articles are brilliant…Happy? And of course i will be on the internet. why has the “brilliant” desh something else for humanity?

  7. i love listening to this guy’s rant’s on youtube. he’s got a solution to all of pakistan’s woes, destroy India which apparently they can do in the blink of an eye, and why is he not doing it because he is too civilized and wants to exhaust his diplomatic options first.

    this guy is a former taliban who fought in afghanistan and was apparently hit over the head one time too often.

    you itching for a war,BRING IT ON BITCH.

  8. i love listening to this guy’s rant’s on youtube. he’s got a solution to all of pakistan’s woes, destroy India which apparently they can do in the blink of an eye, and why is he not doing it because he is too civilized and wants to exhaust his diplomatic options first.

    this guy is a former taliban who fought in afghanistan and was apparently hit over the head one time too often.

    you itching for a war,BRING IT ON BITCH.

  9. I agree with you – I find this joker and many others on the net and off that amazingly self obsessed from that country. When I had replied to the guy below – “Rafi” – about touching base “Next Year” …. back of the mind I had a feeling (I even predicted in my 2008 year end predictions) that Pakistan will be a Taliban state. This commenter will be lucky in my view, to BE on the net next year. The situation in that country is so bleak right now that things can become bad to the worst nightmare any time now.

  10. I agree with you – I find this joker and many others on the net and off that amazingly self obsessed from that country. When I had replied to the guy below – “Rafi” – about touching base “Next Year” …. back of the mind I had a feeling (I even predicted in my 2008 year end predictions) that Pakistan will be a Taliban state. This commenter will be lucky in my view, to BE on the net next year. The situation in that country is so bleak right now that things can become bad to the worst nightmare any time now.

  11. Peace and no war! which need the world to sound every where in the world.

  12. I think there is a campaign around the net to defame Zaid Hamid – and for a few reasons.

    1.) Everyone has the right to – someone becomes popular, we generally have right to criticize

    2.) People are jealous of his fame and his confidence

    3.) B/c he talks generally and ideologically, people who “think” they are very realistic and smart and know how to deal with the worlds politics and economics, and who THEMSELVES are disullusioned in it, end up hating him because he stands again the basic fundamentals they think, thrive and live off of

    Facts are – India is Pakistan’s enemy – no doubt in that, never was, never will be – we keep fighting wars with India and when they tested their N weapon, so did Pakistan –

    All of his economic talk that people make fun of and criticize is ACTUALLY fundamentally sound and true – practically applying is what seems impossible. Islamically, INTEREST is forbidden. Having a currency that is not backed by gold reserves means corrupt bankers and politicians will have a feast on the public.

    Whether or not people can mentally create an image of how to practically apply Zaid Hamids ideas – one thing must be done – we MUST admit that YES it is all this corruption in our monetary system, in the IMF in the WORLD BANK that is causing massive poverty around the world these days at levels that have not been seen. Famine is not starving the world – human corruption is. And unless people like Hamid come out to show people what is going on, there will never be steps taken to prevent it. The world is actually coming to a point where there is about to be a huge freaking war – and if you cannot see it, you are blind, because right now there are severe armed conflicts in several parts of the world, severe grass roots militia rebellions in several continents of the world, severe polarization of ideologies in the world…..so why not study it, admit it, and try to create solutions to them?

  13. (1) and (2) – that maybe true in Pakistan.. but as an Indian I don’t give a fig about his popularity and be jealous of it. According to me he is a hallucinating mind… and with him he is turning the youth of Pakistan into a paranoid lot.

    Given that, and despite how you think he is “logical” – I believe from the Indian standpoint, there are long term repercussions which we should prepare for.

    As for India’s enmity, well.. there is nothing much to argue with someone who is already brain washed. Suffice it to say, that people who are honest in Pakistan see that what is happening is Pakistan was sowed by this very mentality (Zaid type).

    You may disagree and that’s ok.. but if this continues, then I really do not see a Pakistani “state” in the next 10 years.

  14. I think there is a campaign around the net to defame Zaid Hamid – and for a few reasons.

    1.) Everyone has the right to – someone becomes popular, we generally have right to criticize

    2.) People are jealous of his fame and his confidence

    3.) B/c he talks generally and ideologically, people who “think” they are very realistic and smart and know how to deal with the worlds politics and economics, and who THEMSELVES are disullusioned in it, end up hating him because he stands again the basic fundamentals they think, thrive and live off of

    Facts are – India is Pakistan’s enemy – no doubt in that, never was, never will be – we keep fighting wars with India and when they tested their N weapon, so did Pakistan –

    All of his economic talk that people make fun of and criticize is ACTUALLY fundamentally sound and true – practically applying is what seems impossible. Islamically, INTEREST is forbidden. Having a currency that is not backed by gold reserves means corrupt bankers and politicians will have a feast on the public.

    Whether or not people can mentally create an image of how to practically apply Zaid Hamids ideas – one thing must be done – we MUST admit that YES it is all this corruption in our monetary system, in the IMF in the WORLD BANK that is causing massive poverty around the world these days at levels that have not been seen. Famine is not starving the world – human corruption is. And unless people like Hamid come out to show people what is going on, there will never be steps taken to prevent it. The world is actually coming to a point where there is about to be a huge freaking war – and if you cannot see it, you are blind, because right now there are severe armed conflicts in several parts of the world, severe grass roots militia rebellions in several continents of the world, severe polarization of ideologies in the world…..so why not study it, admit it, and try to create solutions to them?

  15. (1) and (2) – that maybe true in Pakistan.. but as an Indian I don’t give a fig about his popularity and be jealous of it. According to me he is a hallucinating mind… and with him he is turning the youth of Pakistan into a paranoid lot.

    Given that, and despite how you think he is “logical” – I believe from the Indian standpoint, there are long term repercussions which we should prepare for.

    As for India’s enmity, well.. there is nothing much to argue with someone who is already brain washed. Suffice it to say, that people who are honest in Pakistan see that what is happening is Pakistan was sowed by this very mentality (Zaid type).

    You may disagree and that’s ok.. but if this continues, then I really do not see a Pakistani “state” in the next 10 years.

  16. Mr. Zaid hamid…Go on..we are with you…you are hitting them, where it hurts the most !
    Pakstan Zindabad

  17. Mr. Zaid hamid…Go on..we are with you…you are hitting them, where it hurts the most !
    Pakstan Zindabad

  18. Great job Desh!

    I have been following this moron for a while now.. Not because I’m high, but because he flat out entertains me..

    This began after his assessment of the Mumbai attacks as carried out by “Hindu Zionists”, apparently Ajmal Kasab was speaking in Marathi, which couldn’t possibly mean that he was a Paki..

    Then came his theory that Mittal Steel was a company run by “Hindu Zionists”.. and they were involved in destabilizing Baluchistan, which apparently has rich Iron Ore reserves.. (ROFLMAO)..

    And finally his constant bursts of anti-India sentiments coupled with weird theories that make sense only to him point out to the following:
    1.Being a former jihadi himself, cant expect much else off of him
    2.I hope the sane crowd in Pakistan (if there s any left) sees that this guy is nothing but a recipe for their own disaster
    3.No one cares a damn about popularity, this guy is just eccentric
    4.Finally, I have to give this to him: to sit there day after day and bluff, conspire, mould facts to sound good to him, make shit up, talk shit etc. and do all that with a straight face, does take some balls.. but then I believe this comes synonymous to being a Paki..

  19. Great job Desh!

    I have been following this moron for a while now.. Not because I’m high, but because he flat out entertains me..

    This began after his assessment of the Mumbai attacks as carried out by “Hindu Zionists”, apparently Ajmal Kasab was speaking in Marathi, which couldn’t possibly mean that he was a Paki..

    Then came his theory that Mittal Steel was a company run by “Hindu Zionists”.. and they were involved in destabilizing Baluchistan, which apparently has rich Iron Ore reserves.. (ROFLMAO)..

    And finally his constant bursts of anti-India sentiments coupled with weird theories that make sense only to him point out to the following:
    1.Being a former jihadi himself, cant expect much else off of him
    2.I hope the sane crowd in Pakistan sees that this guy is nothing but a recipe for their own disaster
    3.No one cares a damn about popularity, this guy is just eccentric
    4.Finally, I have to give this to him: to sit there day after day and bluff, conspire, mould facts to sound good to him, make shit up, talk shit etc. and do all that with a straight face, does take some balls.. but then I believe this comes synonymous to being a Paki..

  20. Great job Desh!

    I have been following this moron for a while now.. Not because I’m high, but because he flat out entertains me..

    This began after his assessment of the Mumbai attacks as carried out by “Hindu Zionists”, apparently Ajmal Kasab was speaking in Marathi, which couldn’t possibly mean that he was a Paki..

    Then came his theory that Mittal Steel was a company run by “Hindu Zionists”.. and they were involved in destabilizing Baluchistan, which apparently has rich Iron Ore reserves.. (ROFLMAO)..

    And finally his constant bursts of anti-India sentiments coupled with weird theories that make sense only to him point out to the following:
    1. Being a former jihadi himself, cant expect much else off of him
    2. I hope the sane crowd in Pakistan sees that this guy is nothing but a recipe for their own disaster
    3. No one cares a damn about popularity, this guy is just eccentric
    4. Finally, I have to give this to him: to sit there day after day and bluff, conspire, mould facts to sound good to him, make shit up, talk shit etc. and do all that with a straight face, does take some balls.. but then I believe this comes synonymous to being a Paki..

  21. there is a comment in urdu. JAB GIDARH KI MAUT AATI HAI TO WOH SHAHAR KI TARAF BHAGTA HAI which means that when its time for the jackal to die he runs towards the city. and it seems very soon that india is running out of time and options with pakistan and is on the verge of a lost fight

  22. there is a comment in urdu. JAB GIDARH KI MAUT AATI HAI TO WOH SHAHAR KI TARAF BHAGTA HAI which means that when its time for the jackal to die he runs towards the city. and it seems very soon that india is running out of time and options with pakistan and is on the verge of a lost fight




  23. In this link zaid miyan talks about pakistan going to moon in five years time and also becoming a superpower. i hope he is bringing his stash of marijuana cus i dont see how else it is possible.how can these paki’s even think that india is facing crises when they themself are in a verge of separation.pakistan is like a little itchy patch on the scalp of our country india
    Jai hind


  24. In this link zaid miyan talks about pakistan going to moon in five years time and also becoming a superpower. i hope he is bringing his stash of marijuana cus i dont see how else it is possible.how can these paki’s even think that india is facing crises when they themself are in a verge of separation.pakistan is like a little itchy patch on the scalp of our country india
    Jai hind

  25. Guys,

    we would fight each other till the ends of our lives, coz we cant forget who we are. we will never grow up, niether indians nor pakistanis.

    Don’t you realize if india and pakistan join hands and forget the past(it’s hard not impossible) we would be the greatest power in the world. we (indians and pakistanis) are intelligent, we have all the natural resources, capable, and best we share the same almost same cultural values (issue will be there for pessimistics people in the statement) why cant we work together. do good for humanity. do good for our generations to come. to good for our nations?

    Your are all intellectual people.

    share the love. if a guy comes from Mumbai (not Bombay, respect each other’s views) to Karachi or vice versa, he wouldn’t find much of a difference. we live same way … why the hell are we being childish…

    who cares what zaid hamid says or any indian host or speaker. people are the power not a few individuals who represent anybody….

    Think!

  26. Guys,

    we would fight each other till the ends of our lives, coz we cant forget who we are. we will never grow up, niether indians nor pakistanis.

    Don’t you realize if india and pakistan join hands and forget the past(it’s hard not impossible) we would be the greatest power in the world. we (indians and pakistanis) are intelligent, we have all the natural resources, capable, and best we share the same almost same cultural values (issue will be there for pessimistics people in the statement) why cant we work together. do good for humanity. do good for our generations to come. to good for our nations?

    Your are all intellectual people.

    share the love. if a guy comes from Mumbai (not Bombay, respect each other’s views) to Karachi or vice versa, he wouldn’t find much of a difference. we live same way … why the hell are we being childish…

    who cares what zaid hamid says or any indian host or speaker. people are the power not a few individuals who represent anybody….

    Think!

  27. Man, he seems to have illusions of sainthood. Maybe the Nobel committee should consider him for a peace prize.

    If this is the kind of people who are on Pakistan prime time TV, I pity our neighbors. Learn to be happy. The world isn’t so bad.

  28. Man, he seems to have illusions of sainthood. Maybe the Nobel committee should consider him for a peace prize.

    If this is the kind of people who are on Pakistan prime time TV, I pity our neighbors. Learn to be happy. The world isn’t so bad.

  29. if u indians think this guy is so crazy then why r u so worried about him why there is so much tension among u guys imean comon some thing is really hitting u so hard that u cant control ur emotions lets be realistic u indians still cant take a simple fact that we screwed up ur bharat and created pakistan out of it u thought it wont work but look it worked no matter how hard u piss drinking ass holes can try to screw us we bite back harder !!PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!!!

  30. if u indians think this guy is so crazy then why r u so worried about him why there is so much tension among u guys imean comon some thing is really hitting u so hard that u cant control ur emotions lets be realistic u indians still cant take a simple fact that we screwed up ur bharat and created pakistan out of it u thought it wont work but look it worked no matter how hard u piss drinking ass holes can try to screw us we bite back harder !!PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!!!

  31. well…desh

    i liked your style coz you dont use any filthy words or abusive language…i being a pakistani muslim might have conflicts with what you say or think but being a human i see some sense in your talks because you dont talk nonsense (not entirely), thanks for being using not a bad word (i didnt read any) or abusive language…

    khair…coming to point, why would india or pakistan attack each other? why are we both so aggressive? (somebody mentioned in above comments) that if pakistan and india join hands together (and we all know it wont be possible coz america or israel would never want it) then we can show many nations what we asians can do

    instead of fighting for ego, we (pakistanis and indians) should fight for honour if we really want to fight…the fight against the hidden hand, the fight against america, the fight against israel, the fight against unjust…but my bros and sis…we’ll never do it, because we dont see the reality, we see what is shown to us, we dont hear the truth, we hear what we are fed…

    i hope you all understand…dont want to write any more

    with love for humanity, pakistan’s and india’s people, muslims and all non-muslims

    peace…

  32. well…desh

    i liked your style coz you dont use any filthy words or abusive language…i being a pakistani muslim might have conflicts with what you say or think but being a human i see some sense in your talks because you dont talk nonsense (not entirely), thanks for being using not a bad word (i didnt read any) or abusive language…

    khair…coming to point, why would india or pakistan attack each other? why are we both so aggressive? (somebody mentioned in above comments) that if pakistan and india join hands together (and we all know it wont be possible coz america or israel would never want it) then we can show many nations what we asians can do

    instead of fighting for ego, we (pakistanis and indians) should fight for honour if we really want to fight…the fight against the hidden hand, the fight against america, the fight against israel, the fight against unjust…but my bros and sis…we’ll never do it, because we dont see the reality, we see what is shown to us, we dont hear the truth, we hear what we are fed…

    i hope you all understand…dont want to write any more

    with love for humanity, pakistan’s and india’s people, muslims and all non-muslims

    peace…

  33. Thanks for the kind words, Anonymous!

    Why just India and Pakistan? Why not even US and Israel? I guess everyone can come together if the parties are engaging with basic ground rules of humanity and peace.

    As for Pakistan and India, I feel that Pakistan needs to sort out whether it will remain a nuisance to itself and the world or it will contribute something constructive? And that cannot happen in my eyes until Army remains in power.

    For India, we need to get governments which can care for its own people so they don’t have to go outside to get justice by getting guns and arms.

    Hopefully, one day things will settle down on both sides.. and both the countries would have grown economically enough to realize engagement is the best policy.

  34. Thanks for the kind words, Anonymous!

    Why just India and Pakistan? Why not even US and Israel? I guess everyone can come together if the parties are engaging with basic ground rules of humanity and peace.

    As for Pakistan and India, I feel that Pakistan needs to sort out whether it will remain a nuisance to itself and the world or it will contribute something constructive? And that cannot happen in my eyes until Army remains in power.

    For India, we need to get governments which can care for its own people so they don’t have to go outside to get justice by getting guns and arms.

    Hopefully, one day things will settle down on both sides.. and both the countries would have grown economically enough to realize engagement is the best policy.

  35. my father was born on the same soil as your father or grandfather….it is laughable that we we even begin to consider ourselves humanly as disparate people.bharat, hindustan, pakistan….zameen to ek hi hai mere dost…kyon itna khoon khaulta hai….thand rakho.

  36. my father was born on the same soil as your father or grandfather….it is laughable that we we even begin to consider ourselves humanly as disparate people.bharat, hindustan, pakistan….zameen to ek hi hai mere dost…kyon itna khoon khaulta hai….thand rakho.

  37. i think Zaid Hamid is insane. I used to watch his programs for ammusement but now they don’t even make me laugh. times are tough for Pakistan and it’s the fault of the rulers, toeing the US policies and supporting them blindly. keeping unknown objectives supreme.

    I think being a patriotic Pakistani and being entitled to my personal opnions, Pakistan would’ve been better off if the’d refused any access whatsoever to US to enter Afghanistan through its air and soil. Also, Pakistanis are so involved in corruption and looting at all levels of govt, business, trade industry etc, that a common man, can’t even buy food and stuff to eat; education is not a priority, health and medical facilities are a luxury; corruption, nepotism and misue of authority is prevailant and people at the helm of affairs are making sure their stint in power can get them the most benefit….

    I think pakistanis – a very small % of influential people in all areas- are the biggest enemies of pakistan

    I sincerely think we as Pakistanis can hate US, India, Israel and who not, but atleast learn the good things these *enemies* do, including love for their own country’s and doing the right thing..

    May Allah give us strenght and open our eyes to understand the truth..

    Long Live Pakistan !

  38. i think Zaid Hamid is insane. I used to watch his programs for ammusement but now they don’t even make me laugh. times are tough for Pakistan and it’s the fault of the rulers, toeing the US policies and supporting them blindly. keeping unknown objectives supreme.

    I think being a patriotic Pakistani and being entitled to my personal opnions, Pakistan would’ve been better off if the’d refused any access whatsoever to US to enter Afghanistan through its air and soil. Also, Pakistanis are so involved in corruption and looting at all levels of govt, business, trade industry etc, that a common man, can’t even buy food and stuff to eat; education is not a priority, health and medical facilities are a luxury; corruption, nepotism and misue of authority is prevailant and people at the helm of affairs are making sure their stint in power can get them the most benefit….

    I think pakistanis – a very small % of influential people in all areas- are the biggest enemies of pakistan

    I sincerely think we as Pakistanis can hate US, India, Israel and who not, but atleast learn the good things these *enemies* do, including love for their own country’s and doing the right thing..

    May Allah give us strenght and open our eyes to understand the truth..

    Long Live Pakistan !

  39. It is important for you to understand that even if you watch Zaid Hamid’s program, then still you would not understand his words or believe him.

    The reason is clear that he provides his knowledge by backing it with Holy Quran and Sunnah, but you don’t have knowledge of Quran and Sunnah, so it is hard for you to understand him, while on the other hand his Muslim followers are growing extremely fast. (No offence of religion)

    I’ll not be surprised, when Indian army would be watching his brasstacks to get the idea of Pakistan’s new strategy. (The time is really soon)

  40. It is important for you to understand that even if you watch Zaid Hamid’s program, then still you would not understand his words or believe him.

    The reason is clear that he provides his knowledge by backing it with Holy Quran and Sunnah, but you don’t have knowledge of Quran and Sunnah, so it is hard for you to understand him, while on the other hand his Muslim followers are growing extremely fast. (No offence of religion)

    I’ll not be surprised, when Indian army would be watching his brasstacks to get the idea of Pakistan’s new strategy. (The time is really soon)

  41. It is important for you to understand that even if you watch Zaid Hamid’s program, then still you would not understand his words or believe him.

    The reason is clear that he provides his knowledge by backing it with Holy Quran and Sunnah, but you don’t have knowledge of Quran and Sunnah, so it is hard for you to understand him, while on the other hand his Muslim followers are growing extremely fast. (No offence of religion)

    I’ll not be surprised, when Indian army would be watching his brasstacks to get the idea of Pakistan’s new strategy. (The time is really soon)

  42. It is important for you to understand that even if you watch Zaid Hamid’s program, then still you would not understand his words or believe him.

    The reason is clear that he provides his knowledge by backing it with Holy Quran and Sunnah, but you don’t have knowledge of Quran and Sunnah, so it is hard for you to understand him, while on the other hand his Muslim followers are growing extremely fast. (No offence of religion)

    I’ll not be surprised, when Indian army would be watching his brasstacks to get the idea of Pakistan’s new strategy. (The time is really soon)

  43. Indians on Internet look so intelligent that they can find problems with every statement coming from Zaid Hamid, but they couldn’t figure out the following which was so easy to:
    1- why haven’t Indian govt given right of self determination while they signed UN resolutions about it.
    2- why did India had to go to Russia in order to have a peace deal with Pakistan in 1965.
    4- who trained Bangali terrorists, and who provided them weapon and financed them in 1971 to fight against Pakistan Govt.
    5- how is India still having BJP as its biggest political party while BJP leaders who are involved in mass killings of Muslims, low cast Hindus, christians etc. are still considered as heros.
    6- in just last few years we have seen millions of Kashmiris with Pakistani flags, calling Pakistan as their home country (in future) but Indian govt. still trying to call Kashmiri movement = terrorism.
    7- human right movements are slaping India over Kashmir for decades.
    8- still American media which is completely controled by Jewish and Protestent Christian zionists is so quite even at the killings of christians. if 100 people get together in Islamabad for demonstration at their govt. we see it on every US channel but hundrad thousand Kashmiris don’t attract anyone of them.
    9- What were Israeli soldiers doing in Kargil war (fighting from Indian side of Kashmir). as later on Israeli ambassador claimed in an interview to Indian media.
    10- even after Indian support to Tamil fighters with weapon and for 20 years. Indian people show themselves to be unaware of it.
    11- evidence to prove Pakistan’s involvement in 26/11 are tooth pastes, phone #s, a boy who is supposed to be Pakistani and have links with organization in Pakistan. evidence to prove Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan: Indian agents who has been arrested in last few years, currency found in Balochistan, Indian made weapon being used by Terrorists in Pakistan, Indian consulates in Afghanistan along the border and alot more. (of course you can’t prove these things but clues become evidence).
    12- after 26/11 all of the clues which were found during 26/11 (which were showing a different picture that the attacks had been done by Indians and Israelis) disapeared from Indian and US media with in few days of events.
    13- how are Indians so confident that by following Western democracy and justice system, they are going to achieve an ideal state, while western countries (europe and US) themselves have not been able to provide justice and ideal state to their own people. check the list of most criminal countries and you will fing all of these countries in top 35)

    i can write so much more here but I don’t have time. i agree that Pakistan is in trouble but we are enough to worry about it. nobody in Pakistan has invited you to give you advices. basically India is playing with fire, which can burn herself and the region. Indians will have to figure out who are the dirty fish, in their pond. if you can fix your own problems first then try to fix others’.

  44. Indians on Internet are so intelligent that they can find problems with every statement coming from Zaid Hamid, but they couldn’t figure out the following which was so easy to:
    1- why haven’t Indian govt given right of self determination while they signed UN resolutions about it.
    2- why did India had to go to Russia in order to have a peace deal with Pakistan in 1965.
    4- who trained Bangali terrorists, and who provided them weapon and financed them in 1971 to fight against Pakistan Govt.
    5- how is India still having BJP as its biggest political party while BJP leaders who are involved in mass killings of Muslims, low cast Hindus, christians etc. are still considered as heros.
    6- in just last few years we have seen millions of Kashmiris with Pakistani flags, calling Pakistan as their home country (in future) but Indian govt. still trying to call Kashmiri movement = terrorism.
    7- human right movements are slaping India over Kashmir for decades.
    8- still American media which is completely controled by Jewish and Protestent Christian zionists is so quite even at the killings of christians. if 100 people get together in Islamabad for demonstration at their govt. we see it on every US channel but hundrad thousand Kashmiris don’t attract anyone of them.
    9- What were Israeli soldiers doing in Kargil war (fighting from Indian side of Kashmir). as later on Israeli ambassador claimed in an interview to Indian media.
    10- even after Indian support to Tamil fighters with weapon and for 20 years. Indian people show themselves to be unaware of it.
    11- evidence to prove Pakistan’s involvement in 26/11 are tooth pastes, phone #s, a boy who is supposed to be Pakistani and have links with organization in Pakistan. evidence to prove Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan: Indian agents who has been arrested in last few years, currency found in Balochistan, Indian made weapon being used by Terrorists in Pakistan, Indian consulates in Afghanistan along the border and alot more. (of course you can’t prove these things but clues become evidence).
    12- after 26/11 all of the clues which were found during 26/11 (which were showing a different picture that the attacks had been done by Indians and Israelis) disapeared from Indian and US media with in few days of events.
    13- how are Indians so confident that by following Western democracy and justice system, they are going to achieve an ideal state, while western countries (europe and US) themselves have not been able to provide justice and ideal state to their own people. check the list of most criminal countries and you will fing all of these countries in top 35)

    i can write so much more here but I don’t have time. i agree that Pakistan is in trouble but we are enough to worry about it. nobody in Pakistan has invited you to give you advices. basically India is playing with fire, which can burn herself and the region. Indians will have to figure out who are the dirty fish, in their pond. if you can fix your own problems first then try to fix others’.

  45. Indians on Internet are so intelligent that they can find problems with every statement coming from Zaid Hamid, but they couldn’t figure out the following which was so easy to:
    1- why haven’t Indian govt given right of self determination while they signed UN resolutions about it.
    2- why did India had to go to Russia in order to have a peace deal with Pakistan in 1965.
    4- who trained Bangali terrorists, and who provided them weapon and financed them in 1971 to fight against Pakistan Govt.
    5- how is India still having BJP as its biggest political party while BJP leaders who are involved in mass killings of Muslims, low cast Hindus, christians etc. are still considered as heros.
    6- in just last few years we have seen millions of Kashmiris with Pakistani flags, calling Pakistan as their home country (in future) but Indian govt. still trying to call Kashmiri movement = terrorism.
    7- human right movements are slaping India over Kashmir for decades.
    8- still American media which is completely controled by Jewish and Protestent Christian zionists is so quite even at the killings of christians. if 100 people get together in Islamabad for demonstration at their govt. we see it on every US channel but hundrad thousand Kashmiris don’t attract anyone of them.
    9- What were Israeli soldiers doing in Kargil war (fighting from Indian side of Kashmir). as later on Israeli ambassador claimed in an interview to Indian media.
    10- even after Indian support to Tamil fighters with weapon and for 20 years. Indian people show themselves to be unaware of it.
    11- evidence to prove Pakistan’s involvement in 26/11 are tooth pastes, phone #s, a boy who is supposed to be Pakistani and have links with organization in Pakistan. evidence to prove Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan: Indian agents who has been arrested in last few years, currency found in Balochistan, Indian made weapon being used by Terrorists in Pakistan, Indian consulates in Afghanistan along the border and alot more. (of course you can’t prove these things but clues become evidence).
    12- after 26/11 all of the clues which were found during 26/11 (which were showing a different picture that the attacks had been done by Indians and Israelis) disapeared from Indian and US media with in few days of events.
    13- how are Indians so confident that by following Western democracy and justice system, they are going to achieve an ideal state, while western countries (europe and US) themselves have not been able to provide justice and ideal state to their own people. check the list of most criminal countries and you will fing all of these countries in top 35)

    i can write so much more here but I don’t have time. i agree that Pakistan is in trouble but we are enough to worry about it. nobody in Pakistan has invited you to give you advices. basically India is playing with fire, which can burn herself and the region. Indians will have to figure out who are the dirty fish, in their pond. if you can fix your own problems first then try to fix others’.

  46. Nothing that you have said is “new” – its product of the same Pakistani brainwashing that this guy is upto. The questions have been rebutted time and again.. here as well as in other places. I will not waste my time on your nonsense again and again.

    As for Pakistanis view of India and the World, specially the West and Jews. All i can say is good luck. If you guys survive for another 2 years and are not consumed and messed up by your self-created monsters, then one would probably take you seriously. Until then just worry about your very existence! The guys you were feeding and bringing up on a regular and potent diet of Islamic Jihad, now think that Pakistan itself is an infidel concept… LOL. At least no one can say you guys failed.. even it finally consumes you in the process! 🙂

  47. Nothing that you have said is “new” – its product of the same Pakistani brainwashing that this guy is upto. The questions have been rebutted time and again.. here as well as in other places. I will not waste my time on your nonsense again and again.

    As for Pakistanis view of India and the World, specially the West and Jews. All i can say is good luck. If you guys survive for another 2 years and are not consumed and messed up by your self-created monsters, then one would probably take you seriously. Until then just worry about your very existence! The guys you were feeding and bringing up on a regular and potent diet of Islamic Jihad, now think that Pakistan itself is an infidel concept… LOL. At least no one can say you guys failed.. even it finally consumes you in the process! 🙂

  48. dear desh,
    Pakistan is a country formed from hate. Hatred to India and Jinna’s greed for power. I live amongst pakis in ajman uae. I have heard a small girl of 6, referring “indian log kutte hote hain”. just imagine the kind of hatred pakis have. I think its not just pakis. The whole islam gene pool is based on hatred. This is why the world has become a shit place. i think muslims feel that the world fears them. I think its more like revulsion than fear. Like worms in toilet. But a time will soon come when the world will start retaliating and decide unitedly to get rid of this plague of toilet worms called islam. This process has started already as we can see in US and europe, all muslims are specifically checked at airports and surveilled regularly. In uk, practically all paki visas are getting rejected.

  49. dear desh,
    Pakistan is a country formed from hate. Hatred to India and Jinna’s greed for power. I live amongst pakis in ajman uae. I have heard a small girl of 6, referring “indian log kutte hote hain”. just imagine the kind of hatred pakis have. I think its not just pakis. The whole islam gene pool is based on hatred. This is why the world has become a shit place. i think muslims feel that the world fears them. I think its more like revulsion than fear. Like worms in toilet. But a time will soon come when the world will start retaliating and decide unitedly to get rid of this plague of toilet worms called islam. This process has started already as we can see in US and europe, all muslims are specifically checked at airports and surveilled regularly. In uk, practically all paki visas are getting rejected.

  50. well … i have been reading what you have to say and being a Pakistani the first feeling that i came across was anger but in this case it wont be much help because some of the points that you raised are correct … we are facing a terrible terrible time which is inflicted on us by the Zionists in order to full fill their agenda. you might have heard this a lot of times and may be you have a smirk on your face right now because to a person who has a limited understanding this might sound like a far fetched idea but if you had much knowledge or had done your research you wouldn’t be saying the things that you said. but i don’t hold this against you as some of your criticism is valid our government and about 98% of the officials who have the power to do something have sold their souls for these worldly benefits. i do not expect you to understand this but let me introduce you to an Islamic point of view in Lehman terms “if a community is corrupt God will appoint corrupt rulers on them”

    our community has been infiltrated over the years and our faith has been surgically manipulated thus the end product is in front of you. the general population has lost the plot.

    i do not want to go into much detail over here as i see engaging you in an argument as a waste of my effort as we have a much bigger agenda at the moment.

    coming to Zaid Hamid I’d recommend you do your research before you discredit a very educated and knowledgeable being. he has his own way of delivering the message that might portray a picture of Delusion, Inflammatory, Provocative and Hallucination to a basic human but there is a deeper meaning to it which i believe you failed to understand thus you came up with this article.

    in the end my message to you is do not discredit any piece of knowledge without grasping the full implication and understanding of it, keep a clear and unbiased mind.

    my message to every Muslim around the world is to look at yourself in the mirror and try and identify the wrongs in yourself before you point the finger at anyone else. correct yourself, we have to make an example of our self as an individual and only then we can influence the masses. keep faith and stay united.(i do not want to divide the Muslims into sects as that’s what they expect of us and that’s what they have invested their lives, monies and every effort to achieve as they know this very well that together we can stand and divided we will fall so don’t give them the satisfaction)

    in the end the Muslims of Pakistan & Kashmir have faith and patience and work on your individual self in order to influence the community DON’T LOSE HOPE as your enemy is doing their level best to take that away from you demoralize you and break you down and that’s the only way they can achieve their goal. Please don’t let them win.

  51. well … i have been reading what you have to say and being a Pakistani the first feeling that i came across was anger but in this case it wont be much help because some of the points that you raised are correct … we are facing a terrible terrible time which is inflicted on us by the Zionists in order to full fill their agenda. you might have heard this a lot of times and may be you have a smirk on your face right now because to a person who has a limited understanding this might sound like a far fetched idea but if you had much knowledge or had done your research you wouldn’t be saying the things that you said. but i don’t hold this against you as some of your criticism is valid our government and about 98% of the officials who have the power to do something have sold their souls for these worldly benefits. i do not expect you to understand this but let me introduce you to an Islamic point of view in Lehman terms “if a community is corrupt God will appoint corrupt rulers on them”

    our community has been infiltrated over the years and our faith has been surgically manipulated thus the end product is in front of you. the general population has lost the plot.

    i do not want to go into much detail over here as i see engaging you in an argument as a waste of my effort as we have a much bigger agenda at the moment.

    coming to Zaid Hamid I’d recommend you do your research before you discredit a very educated and knowledgeable being. he has his own way of delivering the message that might portray a picture of Delusion, Inflammatory, Provocative and Hallucination to a basic human but there is a deeper meaning to it which i believe you failed to understand thus you came up with this article.

    in the end my message to you is do not discredit any piece of knowledge without grasping the full implication and understanding of it, keep a clear and unbiased mind.

    my message to every Muslim around the world is to look at yourself in the mirror and try and identify the wrongs in yourself before you point the finger at anyone else. correct yourself, we have to make an example of our self as an individual and only then we can influence the masses. keep faith and stay united.(i do not want to divide the Muslims into sects as that’s what they expect of us and that’s what they have invested their lives, monies and every effort to achieve as they know this very well that together we can stand and divided we will fall so don’t give them the satisfaction)

    in the end the Muslims of Pakistan & Kashmir have faith and patience and work on your individual self in order to influence the community DON’T LOSE HOPE as your enemy is doing their level best to take that away from you demoralize you and break you down and that’s the only way they can achieve their goal. Please don’t let them win.

  52. Dear Peace mongerer – there is a Sanskrit saying – Vinashkalya Vipreet buddhi – when the destruction of someone is near, then the intellect takes a negative turn. Maybe you are watching it being enacted?

  53. Dear Haris: you obviously have your own opinion and that’s fine with me.. I believe that it is just going to create more trouble.

    For one, despite seemingly agreeing with me, you and most others in Pakistan and the larger Islamic world (including Zaid Hamid) are loathe to take responsibility for your state of affairs WITHOUT blaming “others”.. whether its the Zionists or Americans or Hindus or your “own people” who have now supposedly sided with them.

    The point being that except YOU, EVERYONE else is against Muslims.. even Muslims who do not agree that Jews or others have anything to do with the state of affairs that Islam and Muslims find themselves in!

    The problem is that there is NO introspection and whatever passes for “evaluation” is mostly denial. “He is not a Muslim”.. or “That is not the real Islam”.. etc. Do you ever wonder that people outside the Muslim world would be sick and tired of the same rhetoric? That we are all waiting for you guys to finally sort out.. WHOSE “Islam” is “real Islam”?? And why the heck should one care?

    This hatred has to stop and if you really want to beat the Jews that get some balls…. get some financial geniuses ready in your country and teach them how to run the finance world and see if you can beat them! If you have to beat someone then beat him fair and square…. don’t play the game like a troublesome kid, who, if he doesn’t get to bat because he cannot play tries to run away with the bat or digs up the pitch! Today, that is the mentality of Muslims who whine like you have done!

    So, either get some superstars ready and rule the world PEACEFULLY and FAIR AND SQUARE.. or don’t whine!

  54. Dear Peace mongerer – there is a Sanskrit saying – Vinashkalya Vipreet buddhi – when the destruction of someone is near, then the intellect takes a negative turn. Maybe you are watching it being enacted?

  55. Dear Haris: you obviously have your own opinion and that’s fine with me.. I believe that it is just going to create more trouble.

    For one, despite seemingly agreeing with me, you and most others in Pakistan and the larger Islamic world (including Zaid Hamid) are loathe to take responsibility for your state of affairs WITHOUT blaming “others”.. whether its the Zionists or Americans or Hindus or your “own people” who have now supposedly sided with them.

    The point being that except YOU, EVERYONE else is against Muslims.. even Muslims who do not agree that Jews or others have anything to do with the state of affairs that Islam and Muslims find themselves in!

    The problem is that there is NO introspection and whatever passes for “evaluation” is mostly denial. “He is not a Muslim”.. or “That is not the real Islam”.. etc. Do you ever wonder that people outside the Muslim world would be sick and tired of the same rhetoric? That we are all waiting for you guys to finally sort out.. WHOSE “Islam” is “real Islam”?? And why the heck should one care?

    This hatred has to stop and if you really want to beat the Jews that get some balls…. get some financial geniuses ready in your country and teach them how to run the finance world and see if you can beat them! If you have to beat someone then beat him fair and square…. don’t play the game like a troublesome kid, who, if he doesn’t get to bat because he cannot play tries to run away with the bat or digs up the pitch! Today, that is the mentality of Muslims who whine like you have done!

    So, either get some superstars ready and rule the world PEACEFULLY and FAIR AND SQUARE.. or don’t whine!

  56. dear desh. u are rite i have my own opinion … and this time i am going to try and answer the points that you raised in this last comment …

    1. i take full responsibility for everything that i have done in my life, that i do and that i am going to do. that’s what our teachings are … we have our differences in our religion but we also have the tendency to stand together when some external forces try and create ‘phasade’ within our ranks. pick up the history of subcontinent and you will find that we have never been defeated on the basis of power but devious means employed by our enemies. every religion has their weaklings that is a known fact and that is something that our enemies capitalize on. they separate them, brainwash them and do their best to deviate them from their original course. thus you get people who have no souls and are working for a foreign agenda and that is exactly what is crippling our nation. again this might sound like blaming others but in reality i am only mentioning a concept and its a known fact.

    well i never said its only external factors that have caused this situation. if it wasn’t for our people’s lack of faith and commitment there is no way we would have been in this situation. we have lost our values and lost touch with our religion and have tailored our lives in such a way that we are totally dependent on other cultures and moving away from our roots.

    2. well does it not make you wonder why everyone is against Muslims? whats so wrong about being a Muslim that it attracts so much hatred from everyone? i recommend that you study the history of Muslims and Jews and may be if your brain has tendency to see the bigger picture you’d understand what their interest is in Muslims and why do they feel so threatened by our very existence, before branding me of being in denial look at yourself because to me it looks like you are in denial. why are Muslims being killed all over the world i wont give you small examples because from my understanding of you, you wouldn’t know about them … whats happening in Palestine have you had a chance to find out … and please do not base your reply on the knowledge that you have derived from western media as that don’t even tell you quarter of the whole story (genocide????)

    3. claiming who is Muslim and who is not … that is for Allah to decide not humans. Islam is a concept its a way of life. no where in Islam its taught to distinguish between your own ranks and no offense i am not going to take lecture on Islam from a non muslim(you). and you say the rest of the world is waiting on us to sort our selves out you know what i can not help but laugh at the arguments that you are putting up … let me ask you a small question have you ever looked at your own country … how are Muslims being treated in India? what happened in bihar and gujrat and punjab and kashmir? who’s fault was that and are the people responsible punished? its easy to point out faults in others. how perfect is your country?

    4. hatred. well this hatred was inflicted on us our religion does not teach us violence but tolerance, Jihad is a quite prominent concept that is very popular these days thanks to western media’s interpretation. again i would recommend that try and find out the real meaning of jihad for yourself and don’t take others opinion and especially non Muslims. jihad is fighting in the name of Allah to protect our own harmony and religion. its a war just like any other to protect one’s cause. i think i am going a bit of topic here so back to your point about growing some balls. well i am quite sure if you read your history you’d find we don’t lack that. we have to reorganize our ranks and inshAllah the day we achieve that you’ll see the difference. and do you really think it is valid saying our financial structure has no value when your country is only surviving on foreign policy and financial cushion provided by the west.

    whine hahaha … well i can only hope you could understand what i said as it is quite clear you couldn’t grasp the true meaning of my message. i am going to stop here as i or any other Muslim do not owe you any explanation as you have made it quite clear that you do not have the capability or the brains to understand this play and the only thing that you are good at is raising stupid and meaning less questions without any solid base or understanding.

    I’d end this by saying that broaden your understanding and leave the stereotypes aside and then try and understand what is happening. otherwise you are only going to come up with repulsive material which is only good for attracting arguments but does not help anyone in any way.

  57. Dear peace mongerer,
    first of all I am impressed to see your guts to spit venom against Islam and not just Pakistanis, and you have the courage to work in Ajman. I think ur patrons should be congratulated that they have a big heart to employ you…You source your bread and butter from Muslims and call them toilet worms…this is true nature of Kaffirs shown in Quran….I don’t want to say much, as I am an Indian and don’t support any violence in the name of religion…but of course I wish that earth should be ruled by Moslems some day and you guys have to live under our rule with or without your wish.
    Kind Regards,

  58. dear desh. u are rite i have my own opinion … and this time i am going to try and answer the points that you raised in this last comment …

    1. i take full responsibility for everything that i have done in my life, that i do and that i am going to do. that’s what our teachings are … we have our differences in our religion but we also have the tendency to stand together when some external forces try and create ‘phasade’ within our ranks. pick up the history of subcontinent and you will find that we have never been defeated on the basis of power but devious means employed by our enemies. every religion has their weaklings that is a known fact and that is something that our enemies capitalize on. they separate them, brainwash them and do their best to deviate them from their original course. thus you get people who have no souls and are working for a foreign agenda and that is exactly what is crippling our nation. again this might sound like blaming others but in reality i am only mentioning a concept and its a known fact.

    well i never said its only external factors that have caused this situation. if it wasn’t for our people’s lack of faith and commitment there is no way we would have been in this situation. we have lost our values and lost touch with our religion and have tailored our lives in such a way that we are totally dependent on other cultures and moving away from our roots.

    2. well does it not make you wonder why everyone is against Muslims? whats so wrong about being a Muslim that it attracts so much hatred from everyone? i recommend that you study the history of Muslims and Jews and may be if your brain has tendency to see the bigger picture you’d understand what their interest is in Muslims and why do they feel so threatened by our very existence, before branding me of being in denial look at yourself because to me it looks like you are in denial. why are Muslims being killed all over the world i wont give you small examples because from my understanding of you, you wouldn’t know about them … whats happening in Palestine have you had a chance to find out … and please do not base your reply on the knowledge that you have derived from western media as that don’t even tell you quarter of the whole story (genocide????)

    3. claiming who is Muslim and who is not … that is for Allah to decide not humans. Islam is a concept its a way of life. no where in Islam its taught to distinguish between your own ranks and no offense i am not going to take lecture on Islam from a non muslim(you). and you say the rest of the world is waiting on us to sort our selves out you know what i can not help but laugh at the arguments that you are putting up … let me ask you a small question have you ever looked at your own country … how are Muslims being treated in India? what happened in bihar and gujrat and punjab and kashmir? who’s fault was that and are the people responsible punished? its easy to point out faults in others. how perfect is your country?

    4. hatred. well this hatred was inflicted on us our religion does not teach us violence but tolerance, Jihad is a quite prominent concept that is very popular these days thanks to western media’s interpretation. again i would recommend that try and find out the real meaning of jihad for yourself and don’t take others opinion and especially non Muslims. jihad is fighting in the name of Allah to protect our own harmony and religion. its a war just like any other to protect one’s cause. i think i am going a bit of topic here so back to your point about growing some balls. well i am quite sure if you read your history you’d find we don’t lack that. we have to reorganize our ranks and inshAllah the day we achieve that you’ll see the difference. and do you really think it is valid saying our financial structure has no value when your country is only surviving on foreign policy and financial cushion provided by the west.

    whine hahaha … well i can only hope you could understand what i said as it is quite clear you couldn’t grasp the true meaning of my message. i am going to stop here as i or any other Muslim do not owe you any explanation as you have made it quite clear that you do not have the capability or the brains to understand this play and the only thing that you are good at is raising stupid and meaning less questions without any solid base or understanding.

    I’d end this by saying that broaden your understanding and leave the stereotypes aside and then try and understand what is happening. otherwise you are only going to come up with repulsive material which is only good for attracting arguments but does not help anyone in any way.

  59. Dear peace mongerer,
    first of all I am impressed to see your guts to spit venom against Islam and not just Pakistanis, and you have the courage to work in Ajman. I think ur patrons should be congratulated that they have a big heart to employ you…You source your bread and butter from Muslims and call them toilet worms…this is true nature of Kaffirs shown in Quran….I don’t want to say much, as I am an Indian and don’t support any violence in the name of religion…but of course I wish that earth should be ruled by Moslems some day and you guys have to live under our rule with or without your wish.
    Kind Regards,

  60. Anonymous – if that is the definition of “Kaffirs” then a substantial percentage of Muslims in US, UK and rest of the Europe are Kaffirs… for no one spews venom on Americans and Westerners in THEIR own countries as the Muslim immigrants do… DESPITE getting more freedom than in ANY MOSLEM ruled state!

    As for India under Moslems.. here is what you need to understand for yourself:

    1. Which “Muslim” are you talking about? Shia? Sunni? Ahmediya? Bengali? Punjabi? Urdu-speaking? For nobody has killed Shias, Urdu-speaking Sunnis, Sunni-Bengalis and Ahmediyas in Pakistan (which IS ruled by Moslems) as Punjabi-Sunnis have! So, forget about the Hindus.. YOU need to be sure if YOU will be safe in a Moslem ruled society.

    2. In India (which is secular but you want it to be one-religion ruled) you at least can live in a certain amount of peace unless there are riots. But if you were in Pakistan, you wouldn’t need to have riots to be killed.. somebody will come to YOUR MOSQUE and kill you. In a “Moslem ruled” society, you will not be safe EVEN in your OWN mosque!

    So, you need to decide for you and your family..

  61. Anonymous – if that is the definition of “Kaffirs” then a substantial percentage of Muslims in US, UK and rest of the Europe are Kaffirs… for no one spews venom on Americans and Westerners in THEIR own countries as the Muslim immigrants do… DESPITE getting more freedom than in ANY MOSLEM ruled state!

    As for India under Moslems.. here is what you need to understand for yourself:

    1. Which “Muslim” are you talking about? Shia? Sunni? Ahmediya? Bengali? Punjabi? Urdu-speaking? For nobody has killed Shias, Urdu-speaking Sunnis, Sunni-Bengalis and Ahmediyas in Pakistan (which IS ruled by Moslems) as Punjabi-Sunnis have! So, forget about the Hindus.. YOU need to be sure if YOU will be safe in a Moslem ruled society.

    2. In India (which is secular but you want it to be one-religion ruled) you at least can live in a certain amount of peace unless there are riots. But if you were in Pakistan, you wouldn’t need to have riots to be killed.. somebody will come to YOUR MOSQUE and kill you. In a “Moslem ruled” society, you will not be safe EVEN in your OWN mosque!

    So, you need to decide for you and your family..

  62. Zaid hamid kind of people are keeping pakistani masses ‘Zhahil’People should listen to Hassan Nisar who is honest and truthful.

  63. Zaid hamid kind of people are keeping pakistani masses ‘Zhahil’People should listen to Hassan Nisar who is honest and truthful.

  64. just one answer.. cause muslims cannot live in co-existence… that is why all terrorist caught are muslims and have backing of pak govt..

  65. just one answer.. cause muslims cannot live in co-existence… that is why all terrorist caught are muslims and have backing of pak govt..

  66. Keep thinking that he is dellusional, till you see Indian torn apart, and it will, as it has dug its own graves by playing games inside Pakistan. The sound of the author, the hatered about Pakistan-China friendship, the defence of India, all is too obvious to tell us that he is indian…and so little do they know about Pakistan!!!!
    They (India) can prepare to defeat China (the latest criminal assertion of Gen. Kapoor, Indian military chief), but Pakistan, with its meager military machine is enough for all of India and its agression….and the moment we will get up and reply to the Indian attack on Pakistan (which they had been planning for long time, and already have begun the low intensity fight through their agents as Pakistani Taliban), India will find itself on a non-retreatable posture, that will lead to its total breakup…Beware, Pakistan has wakened up!!!

  67. Keep thinking that he is dellusional, till you see Indian torn apart, and it will, as it has dug its own graves by playing games inside Pakistan. The sound of the author, the hatered about Pakistan-China friendship, the defence of India, all is too obvious to tell us that he is indian…and so little do they know about Pakistan!!!!
    They (India) can prepare to defeat China (the latest criminal assertion of Gen. Kapoor, Indian military chief), but Pakistan, with its meager military machine is enough for all of India and its agression….and the moment we will get up and reply to the Indian attack on Pakistan (which they had been planning for long time, and already have begun the low intensity fight through their agents as Pakistani Taliban), India will find itself on a non-retreatable posture, that will lead to its total breakup…Beware, Pakistan has wakened up!!!

  68. Wo to sab theek hai Sheikh sahib.. kam se kam apni English to sudhaar lo! LOL.

    I hope no one is stopping Pakistan and its amazing military to hit India.. just go ahead.

  69. Wo to sab theek hai Sheikh sahib.. kam se kam apni English to sudhaar lo! LOL.

    I hope no one is stopping Pakistan and its amazing military to hit India.. just go ahead.

  70. Pakistanis are in denial, this is the problem of Pakistan. Pakistanis have to be anti-Indian to prove their existance, find issues with India, today it is Kashmir tomorrow something else e.g. condition of Muslim in India as broadcasted in Zaid Hamid’s video. Pakistanis never tried to take resposibilities of their actions. If everybody says, I am wrong then I should try to ask myself why so?

    Pakistanis deny history, hate everything related to India. Pakistani heros are oppressors and foreign invaders like Babar, Ghazni etc. who converted them into Islam. Babar etc. are not cosidered as heros in their own country but treated as history. Babar etc. were from central Asia who ruled India, not Pakistanis.

    India never asked Pakistanis to take bribes,loot their own country. I have some questions for my Pakistani brothers:
    – Why India will attack Pakistan,what India will gain from it? I can assure you India has nothing to gain from attacking Pakistan? Pakistanis will not loose having peace with India but your army and generals will loose their previliged life style.

    – Is every Pakistani happy and prosperous so you have time and resources to make other countries Muslim happy?

    – Why are you shedding crocodile’s tears about Muslims in India, Israel etc. Is Muslim treating Muslim with respect in other muslim country? Why Saddam gased so many Kurds and killed Iranians, more than Israel? Where was Pakistan or Islamic world then, why didn’t you attack Saddam? So religion is not soultion for all problems.

    – War is not good for anybody, there is no winners in the war, think about life of injured soldiers without arms and limbs. Even now, you think that war is the only solution as your Prophet Zaid Hamid says, you are welcome anytime, make our day.

    – Have you ever questioned, why Zaid Hamid always defends army? He threatens India, Israel and USA, are you sure that Pakistan has resouces to fight and will survive attack from all these country?

    Having aspirations, pride and expectations, enthusiasm for your country is good. Prosperity comes from living in peace and harmony, not from war or threatening other people. So let us live in peace, devote our energy to make better life of our people.

  71. Pakistanis are in denial, this is the problem of Pakistan. Pakistanis have to be anti-Indian to prove their existance, find issues with India, today it is Kashmir tomorrow something else e.g. condition of Muslim in India as broadcasted in Zaid Hamid’s video. Pakistanis never tried to take resposibilities of their actions. If everybody says, I am wrong then I should try to ask myself why so?

    Pakistanis deny history, hate everything related to India. Pakistani heros are oppressors and foreign invaders like Babar, Ghazni etc. who converted them into Islam. Babar etc. are not cosidered as heros in their own country but treated as history. Babar etc. were from central Asia who ruled India, not Pakistanis.

    India never asked Pakistanis to take bribes,loot their own country. I have some questions for my Pakistani brothers:
    – Why India will attack Pakistan,what India will gain from it? I can assure you India has nothing to gain from attacking Pakistan? Pakistanis will not loose having peace with India but your army and generals will loose their previliged life style.

    – Is every Pakistani happy and prosperous so you have time and resources to make other countries Muslim happy?

    – Why are you shedding crocodile’s tears about Muslims in India, Israel etc. Is Muslim treating Muslim with respect in other muslim country? Why Saddam gased so many Kurds and killed Iranians, more than Israel? Where was Pakistan or Islamic world then, why didn’t you attack Saddam? So religion is not soultion for all problems.

    – War is not good for anybody, there is no winners in the war, think about life of injured soldiers without arms and limbs. Even now, you think that war is the only solution as your Prophet Zaid Hamid says, you are welcome anytime, make our day.

    – Have you ever questioned, why Zaid Hamid always defends army? He threatens India, Israel and USA, are you sure that Pakistan has resouces to fight and will survive attack from all these country?

    Having aspirations, pride and expectations, enthusiasm for your country is good. Prosperity comes from living in peace and harmony, not from war or threatening other people. So let us live in peace, devote our energy to make better life of our people.

  72. Pakistanis are in denial, this is the problem of Pakistan. Pakistanis have to be anti-Indian to prove their existance, find issues with India, today it is Kashmir tomorrow something else e.g. condition of Muslim in India as broadcasted in Zaid Hamid’s video. Pakistanis never tried to take resposibilities of their actions. If everybody says, I am wrong then I should try to ask myself why so?

    Pakistanis deny history, hate everything related to India. Pakistani heros are oppressors and foreign invaders like Babar, Ghazni etc. who converted them into Islam. Babar etc. are not cosidered as heros in their own country but treated as history. Babar etc. were from central Asia who ruled India, not Pakistanis.

    India never asked Pakistanis to take bribes,loot their own country. I have some questions for my Pakistani brothers:
    – Why India will attack Pakistan,what India will gain from it? I can assure you India has nothing to gain from attacking Pakistan? Pakistanis will not loose having peace with India but your army and generals will loose their previliged life style.

    – Is every Pakistani happy and prosperous so you have time and resources to make other countries Muslim happy?

    – Why are you shedding crocodile’s tears about Muslims in India, Israel etc. Is Muslim treating Muslim with respect in other muslim country? Why Saddam gased so many Kurds and killed Iranians, more than Israel? Where was Pakistan or Islamic world then, why didn’t you attack Saddam? So religion is not soultion for all problems.

    – War is not good for anybody, there is no winners in the war, think about life of injured soldiers without arms and limbs. Even now, you think that war is the only solution as your Prophet Zaid Hamid says, you are welcome anytime, make our day.

    – Have you ever questioned, why Zaid Hamid always defends army? He threatens India, Israel and USA, are you sure that Pakistan has resouces to fight and will survive attack from all these country?

    Having aspirations, pride and expectations, enthusiasm for your country is good. Prosperity comes from living in peace and harmony, not from war or threatening other people. So let us live in peace, devote our energy to make better life of our people.

  73. Mere bhai, please don’t be emotional but rational.
    – Kashmir and UN resolution: Read the resolution, Pakistan and India should vacate Kashmir to do that, we are, is Pakistan ready, atleast India has elections in Kashmir when you seldom have even in Pakistan

    – Who are in denial? Watch what Imran Khan says about Bangladesh atrocities

    – India is not a heaven as Pakistan is, so we Indians accept that we have problems and have to solve them, even brothers have issues. It takes courage to accept one’s mistakes, for Pakistan, it is easier to blame on US Zionist media or India

    – Why did India help Srilankan Tamils, stupid answers to stupid question is …. same reason you are doing in Kashmir

    – Israeli soldiers in India, Mumbai attackers were Indians Amar Singh and Heera Lal, Indians training Taliban? Any proof or simply Zaid Hamid says so? This is what your problem is, please be seious, accept responsibility of your actions and reality.

    Hum Inida, Israel and USA ko thokenge, sending Pakistani missiles to Israel? Analyse and think seiously consequences of what Zaid Hamid is propagating and is his agenda? Are Zaid Hamid’s lunatic ideas the solution to Pakistan’s problem?

    With well wishers, patriots like Zaid Hamid and his followers who think him hero, Pakistan does need enemies. Living in a fool’s paradise or in denial will not solve Pakistan’s problems.

    Is India afraid of Zaid Hamid in your dream? It is Pakistan who has to be afraid of him.

  74. Mere bhai, please don’t be emotional but rational.
    – Kashmir and UN resolution: Read the resolution, Pakistan and India should vacate Kashmir to do that, we are, is Pakistan ready, atleast India has elections in Kashmir when you seldom have even in Pakistan

    – Who are in denial? Watch what Imran Khan says about Bangladesh atrocities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E30MkXTw9tM

    – India is not a heaven as Pakistan is, so we Indians accept that we have problems and have to solve them, even brothers have issues. It takes courage to accept one’s mistakes, for Pakistan, it is easier to blame on US Zionist media or India

    – Why did India help Srilankan Tamils, stupid answers to stupid question is …. same reason you are doing in Kashmir

    – Israeli soldiers in India, Mumbai attackers were Indians Amar Singh and Heera Lal, Indians training Taliban? Any proof or simply Zaid Hamid says so? This is what your problem is, please be seious, accept responsibility of your actions and reality.

    Hum Inida, Israel and USA ko thokenge, sending Pakistani missiles to Israel? Analyse and think seiously consequences of what Zaid Hamid is propagating and is his agenda? Are Zaid Hamid’s lunatic ideas the solution to Pakistan’s problem?

    With well wishers, patriots like Zaid Hamid and his followers who think him hero, Pakistan does need enemies. Living in a fool’s paradise or in denial will not solve Pakistan’s problems.

    Is India afraid of Zaid Hamid in your dream? It is Pakistan who has to be afraid of him.

  75. Bade bhai Rafi, no comments if you don’t see the point .

    God help you and Pakistan. Well wishers like Prophet Zaid Hamid, Pakistan doesn’t need enemy. Don’t worry about India, still blaming and finding fault with India makes you happy, be my guest you are welcome.

  76. Bade bhai Aman, well done what a civilized reply.
    This type of language is sign of weekness and shows frustation. Please keep your energy for the final bettle with India, you will need it.

  77. Really……….

    1. The problems arise when people decide themselves for God or Prophet. Problems are not due to lack of faith but caused by having a blind faith, living in fool’s paradise and force another people to follow what you think is right. Applying soultions of middle ages problems to todays problems will never work.

    2. Why everybody hates…..? Please grow up, move on past is past. The muslims are killing more muslims than non-muslims.

    3. Who is .. or who is not? Then let Allah decide who is true muslim who are you then to say…… Yes, there are problems in another part of the world leave these problems to those people who live in that country and concentrate on your problems.

    4. Hatred, religion of peace etc? Heard that arguments before. Please please….denial will not solve your problems. Analyse what is wrong with yourself and find the solutions. Don’t blame others.

    We will be happy to see prosperous Pakistan, please do it, our prayers are with Pakistani people. You have to realise religion is not solution of the problems and start living in real world, if religion didn’t solve the problems of Islamic world since it started, it is not going to solve now.

  78. Bade bhai Rafi, no comments if you don’t see the point .

    God help you and Pakistan. Well wishers like Prophet Zaid Hamid, Pakistan doesn’t need enemy. Don’t worry about India, still blaming and finding fault with India makes you happy, be my guest you are welcome.

  79. Bade bhai Aman, well done what a civilized reply.
    This type of language is sign of weekness and shows frustation. Please keep your energy for the final bettle with India, you will need it.

  80. Really……….

    1. The problems arise when people decide themselves for God or Prophet. Problems are not due to lack of faith but caused by having a blind faith, living in fool’s paradise and force another people to follow what you think is right. Applying soultions of middle ages problems to todays problems will never work.

    2. Why everybody hates…..? Please grow up, move on past is past. The muslims are killing more muslims than non-muslims.

    3. Who is .. or who is not? Then let Allah decide who is true muslim who are you then to say…… Yes, there are problems in another part of the world leave these problems to those people who live in that country and concentrate on your problems.

    4. Hatred, religion of peace etc? Heard that arguments before. Please please….denial will not solve your problems. Analyse what is wrong with yourself and find the solutions. Don’t blame others.

    We will be happy to see prosperous Pakistan, please do it, our prayers are with Pakistani people. You have to realise religion is not solution of the problems and start living in real world, if religion didn’t solve the problems of Islamic world since it started, it is not going to solve now.

  81. comon guys zaid hamid is good. he is the best stand up comedian i have seen in years. he is better than russel peters. a lunatic if you ask me. thinks of scaling India US and Israel all at once. Calls 1965 a victory for Pakistan and claims only 30000 pakistani soldiers fought in the east front in 1971 war (the Total POW were 90000).

    But we have our own sahre of jokers like his exellency Mr. Naerendra Modi ans Co…..so no complaints there

  82. comon guys zaid hamid is good. he is the best stand up comedian i have seen in years. he is better than russel peters. a lunatic if you ask me. thinks of scaling India US and Israel all at once. Calls 1965 a victory for Pakistan and claims only 30000 pakistani soldiers fought in the east front in 1971 war (the Total POW were 90000).

    But we have our own sahre of jokers like his exellency Mr. Naerendra Modi ans Co…..so no complaints there

  83. Citing sources such as an irrationally construed map of Pakistan that is impossible considering the geo-political scenario today makes you sound no less demagogic and deranged than Zaid Hamid. The state of affairs in Pakistan is drastically different from Afghanistan, we have a central government, a strong concentric military and a culture that is inherently hostile to a radical government – hence the paltry performance of religious parties in every election to date. The Taliban have little popular support beyond certain desolute pockets of land in the NWFP and Balochistan and despite what people like Zaid Hamid may lead us to believe, the insurgency is not being supported by any foreign intelligence or military network and if so not nearly to the scale that Pakistan supported the Taliban in Afghanistan. Hence, whatever Hakimullah Mehsud (a man who by the way is completely uneducated and technically, isn’t even a Mullah), Pakistan is here to stay. That said, you’re doing a great job, if only our people wake up to the reality rather than clouding their perceptions with inane conspiracy theories – Pakistan’s future would be a lot brighter. Now, if only we can find someone to counter “born again Muslims” like Imran Khan…

  84. Citing sources such as an irrationally construed map of Pakistan that is impossible considering the geo-political scenario today makes you sound no less demagogic and deranged than Zaid Hamid. The state of affairs in Pakistan is drastically different from Afghanistan, we have a central government, a strong concentric military and a culture that is inherently hostile to a radical government – hence the paltry performance of religious parties in every election to date. The Taliban have little popular support beyond certain desolute pockets of land in the NWFP and Balochistan and despite what people like Zaid Hamid may lead us to believe, the insurgency is not being supported by any foreign intelligence or military network and if so not nearly to the scale that Pakistan supported the Taliban in Afghanistan. Hence, whatever Hakimullah Mehsud (a man who by the way is completely uneducated and technically, isn’t even a Mullah), Pakistan is here to stay. That said, you’re doing a great job, if only our people wake up to the reality rather than clouding their perceptions with inane conspiracy theories – Pakistan’s future would be a lot brighter. Now, if only we can find someone to counter “born again Muslims” like Imran Khan…

  85. Citing sources such as an irrationally construed map of Pakistan that is impossible considering the geo-political scenario today makes you sound no less demagogic and deranged than Zaid Hamid. The state of affairs in Pakistan is drastically different from Afghanistan, we have a central government, a strong concentric military and a culture that is inherently hostile to a radical government – hence the paltry performance of religious parties in every election to date. The Taliban have little popular support beyond certain desolute pockets of land in the NWFP and Balochistan and despite what people like Zaid Hamid may lead us to believe, the insurgency is not being supported by any foreign intelligence or military network and if so not nearly to the scale that Pakistan supported the Taliban in Afghanistan. Hence, whatever Hakimullah Mehsud (a man who by the way is completely uneducated and technically, isn’t even a Mullah), Pakistan is here to stay. That said, you’re doing a great job, if only our people wake up to the reality rather than clouding their perceptions with inane conspiracy theories – Pakistan’s future would be a lot brighter. Now, if only we can find someone to counter “born again Muslims” like Imran Khan…

  86. My dear Pakistanis open your eyes, mr zaid is takeing you towards hell. What is his so called love for Pakistan is nothing but a drama. Any human with minimum commonsense can understand this. He is just cooking fictional stories to hypnotize the youth…. He knows your weakness he is playing with your emotions. His mission seems to be something different. His all so called truth is nothing but mere lies, like Amar singh in Mumbai attaks. Why no Pakistani is catching his collar and asking him……. That where is his Amar singh and Hiralal.

  87. A country in which people like Zaid Hamid is present, it doesn’t need any other enemy…… friends open your eyes…..

  88. My dear Pakistanis open your eyes, mr zaid is takeing you towards hell. What is his so called love for Pakistan is nothing but a drama. Any human with minimum commonsense can understand this. He is just cooking fictional stories to hypnotize the youth…. He knows your weakness he is playing with your emotions. His mission seems to be something different. His all so called truth is nothing but mere lies, like Amar singh in Mumbai attaks. Why no Pakistani is catching his collar and asking him……. That where is his Amar singh and Hiralal.

  89. A country in which people like Zaid Hamid is present, it doesn’t need any other enemy…… friends open your eyes…..

  90. Zaid Sir I love you. You look very handsome and dynamic. You look like a Hollywood hero, you look so attractive, marvellous in your blue suite and red cap, Tom cruze is nothing infornt of you. We girls fantasize about you, I bought all of your posters and pasted in my bed room. I don’t know how to contact you.
    Hey friends, does anyone got Zaid Sir’s number. “ Sir, I want to marry you”.

  91. Zaid Sir I love you. You look very handsome and dynamic. You look like a Hollywood hero, you look so attractive, marvellous in your blue suite and red cap, Tom cruze is nothing infornt of you. We girls fantasize about you, I bought all of your posters and pasted in my bed room. I don’t know how to contact you.
    Hey friends, does anyone got Zaid Sir’s number. “ Sir, I want to marry you”.

  92. Hey Haris/Desh,
    Interesting discussion.. Just a few things I wanted to say.
    For any Indian, Zaid Hamid comes across as a smooth talker or a snake oil salesman for Pakistanis who likes to blame all the problems and ills facing Pakistan on nebulous, ambiguous elements – like for instance conspiracies hatched by US or Indian or Zionists or Martians.
    I do not at all doubt or discount the fact that Zaid is very well read, knowledgeable, worldly. But Pakis should be cautious about anyone who takes recourse to theology, ancient history & simplistic and hazy explanations of current events. You have an amazing number of intellectuals including Ayaz Amir, Naji, Irfan Hussein, Tariq Ali etc etc even Hasan Nisar and recent ones like Pervez Hoodbhoy, Mahir Ali, Paracha etc. Just because many of these people foretell dull, ominous and depressing things about the future of Pakistan in recent years, Zaid Hamid and his young believing fans smugly call them traitors and Western/Zionist/Indian agents! This includes the media like GeoTV that try to bring the truth out – like the Kasab case.

    It is very easy to identify with and listen to the rosy, hopeful cheerful future stories of a future Pakistan that Zaid Hamid sells. The Pak army brass has been making a living out of demonizing India and the “downright evil” hindus for 5 decades and the likes of Zaid Hamid are just recent “think tanks” in the pay of the Pak army/dictators. Didn’t you notice the dominant role ZH played in protecting both of the above and in disparaging democracy as a “western invention” not fit for Pakistan?

    The problem is that all people of the subcontinent are too sentimental and think and believe with their hearts. At least democracy gets India to go forward more cautiously – unlike single person or narrow decisions that Paki dictators (decisions by democratic leaders are simply overturned and institutions never allowed to stabilize by the army) take and make the rest of the people suffer!

    Again think about almost all the muslim countries – Tinpot dictators or regimes that repress their citizens (think Iran, Saudi, Libya, Egypt, Syria etc etc) – Instead of muslims being concerned with those leaders, any outside incident (however bad like Godra) is blown out of proportion by govt controlled newspapers so people get diverted by the “outside elements” who come to represent the reasons behind all the ills afflicting society.

  93. Hey Haris/Desh,
    Interesting discussion.. Just a few things I wanted to say.
    For any Indian, Zaid Hamid comes across as a smooth talker or a snake oil salesman for Pakistanis who likes to blame all the problems and ills facing Pakistan on nebulous, ambiguous elements – like for instance conspiracies hatched by US or Indian or Zionists or Martians.
    I do not at all doubt or discount the fact that Zaid is very well read, knowledgeable, worldly. But Pakis should be cautious about anyone who takes recourse to theology, ancient history & simplistic and hazy explanations of current events. You have an amazing number of intellectuals including Ayaz Amir, Naji, Irfan Hussein, Tariq Ali etc etc even Hasan Nisar and recent ones like Pervez Hoodbhoy, Mahir Ali, Paracha etc. Just because many of these people foretell dull, ominous and depressing things about the future of Pakistan in recent years, Zaid Hamid and his young believing fans smugly call them traitors and Western/Zionist/Indian agents! This includes the media like GeoTV that try to bring the truth out – like the Kasab case.

    It is very easy to identify with and listen to the rosy, hopeful cheerful future stories of a future Pakistan that Zaid Hamid sells. The Pak army brass has been making a living out of demonizing India and the “downright evil” hindus for 5 decades and the likes of Zaid Hamid are just recent “think tanks” in the pay of the Pak army/dictators. Didn’t you notice the dominant role ZH played in protecting both of the above and in disparaging democracy as a “western invention” not fit for Pakistan?

    The problem is that all people of the subcontinent are too sentimental and think and believe with their hearts. At least democracy gets India to go forward more cautiously – unlike single person or narrow decisions that Paki dictators (decisions by democratic leaders are simply overturned and institutions never allowed to stabilize by the army) take and make the rest of the people suffer!

    Again think about almost all the muslim countries – Tinpot dictators or regimes that repress their citizens (think Iran, Saudi, Libya, Egypt, Syria etc etc) – Instead of muslims being concerned with those leaders, any outside incident (however bad like Godra) is blown out of proportion by govt controlled newspapers so people get diverted by the “outside elements” who come to represent the reasons behind all the ills afflicting society.

  94. Hallucinating Indian and Zionist Minds…A Msg from Mr. Zaids Follower:
    You are right, A Monster we are…Self destruction we admire. We will give up our lives first, we will happily sacrifice our familes and children before the dust settles on your ignorant way of life. Hold tight to your imaginary self realization – difficult times are ahead for you.

    India is – Ignorance – Nuissance – Dogma – Irrate – Anarchy

    Jews though better than indians are – Jealous – ego centric -wasteful – Self absorbed.

  95. Hallucinating Indian and Zionist Minds…A Msg from Mr. Zaids Follower:
    You are right, A Monster we are…Self destruction we admire. We will give up our lives first, we will happily sacrifice our familes and children before the dust settles on your ignorant way of life. Hold tight to your imaginary self realization – difficult times are ahead for you.

    India is – Ignorance – Nuissance – Dogma – Irrate – Anarchy

    Jews though better than indians are – Jealous – ego centric -wasteful – Self absorbed.

  96. In my opinion, Zaid Hamid got some inspiration from SYED JAMALUDDIN, writer of “DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM” who advocates disintegration of Pakistan on the basis of his own arguments which deal with brain-washing of youth by the religious forces in Pakistan and the discriminatory attitude of Pakistan´s army towards Balochs, Pathans, Urdu speaking people and Sindhis. SYED JAMALUDDIN has proposed disintegration of Pakistan and making of 6 states in place of Pakistan. I feel that Zaid Hamid has tried to counter the arguments of SYED JAMALUDDIN by advocating Pakistan´s ideology under the banner of WAKE UP PAKISTAN. Zaid Hamid has now tried to confront Syed Jamaluddin because CNN had aired advertisement of Syed Jamaluddin´s book for two months in 2007. Most prominent Indian newspaper TIMES OF INDIA first reported about this CNN advertisement which also opened eyes of people like Zaid Hamid. I guess, Zaid Hamid has not yet responded to the arguments of Syed Jamaluddin and has relied on the rhetorics of nationalism without actually mentioning the reason about making of Bangladesh. Zaid Hamid calls making of Bangladesh as “breaking of Pakistan´s one hand”. He does not say more than this. The question is “Is Bangladesh not a Muslim country”? If yes, how can Zaid Hamid establish that Pakistan´s disintegration was a zionist conspiracy. There are so many other contradictions in Zaid Hamid´s arguments. In simple words, Zaid Hamid can impress a crowd of less educated students but cannot match a guy like SYED JAMALUDDIN who is known by the whole world as a political analyst. Zaid Hamid is out there to compete with Syed Jamaluddin and nothing else. Zaid Hamid is suffering from certain “complex”.

  97. In my opinion, Zaid Hamid got some inspiration from SYED JAMALUDDIN, writer of “DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM” who advocates disintegration of Pakistan on the basis of his own arguments which deal with brain-washing of youth by the religious forces in Pakistan and the discriminatory attitude of Pakistan´s army towards Balochs, Pathans, Urdu speaking people and Sindhis. SYED JAMALUDDIN has proposed disintegration of Pakistan and making of 6 states in place of Pakistan. I feel that Zaid Hamid has tried to counter the arguments of SYED JAMALUDDIN by advocating Pakistan´s ideology under the banner of WAKE UP PAKISTAN. Zaid Hamid has now tried to confront Syed Jamaluddin because CNN had aired advertisement of Syed Jamaluddin´s book for two months in 2007. Most prominent Indian newspaper TIMES OF INDIA first reported about this CNN advertisement which also opened eyes of people like Zaid Hamid. I guess, Zaid Hamid has not yet responded to the arguments of Syed Jamaluddin and has relied on the rhetorics of nationalism without actually mentioning the reason about making of Bangladesh. Zaid Hamid calls making of Bangladesh as “breaking of Pakistan´s one hand”. He does not say more than this. The question is “Is Bangladesh not a Muslim country”? If yes, how can Zaid Hamid establish that Pakistan´s disintegration was a zionist conspiracy. There are so many other contradictions in Zaid Hamid´s arguments. In simple words, Zaid Hamid can impress a crowd of less educated students but cannot match a guy like SYED JAMALUDDIN who is known by the whole world as a political analyst. Zaid Hamid is out there to compete with Syed Jamaluddin and nothing else. Zaid Hamid is suffering from certain “complex”.

  98. Dear Sir Zaid hamid
    We are grateful that you have really exposed be-Yahoo-di, Yahoo-di zionist and all zionists’ (US, Israel, Hindu, non-muslim, muslim, European) plans to destroy Pakistan. You have given us new sense of history that Pakistan was not created 60 years ago but existed even before Islam came to the world. How could all these paleet Zionists made us to believe that Pakistan was part of India, it was the way around. Pakistanis have nothing to do with India, Pakistanis were always muslims even before Prophet. You have made us proud reminding us that Mohamad Bin- Kasim, Ghazni and Ghauri were Pakistanis and prophet was born in Lahore than he moved to Arabia later. You have done great service to Islam by exposing these bastard zionists’ agenda.

    Pakistani and youth from all over muslim world is looking for your leadership, we appreciate your efforts to bring Prophet’s birth place to Pakistan where it belongs. You are the only Pakistani (Except Hamid Gul)who is not afraid of CIA, Massad and RAW agents.If US, India, Israel and rest of the world don’t have courage to start war with Pakistan, then Pakistan should attack these countries to teach them a lesson. We are sure that attacking India will solve Pakistan’s problems. Israelese and Indians are already pissing in their pents when they hear roar of Pakistani lion. You are the only one who can lead muslim world into destruction, you are brave, intelligent and fearless, please fulfil the wish of Allah.

    We all love you, miss you and are proud of you, please come and visit us sometime. We want you to attack India to teach these paleet kafirs a lesson

    Yours

    All collegues
    Psychiatric Hospital, Ward 3
    Lahore, Pakistan

  99. Dear Sir Zaid hamid
    We are grateful that you have really exposed be-Yahoo-di, Yahoo-di zionist and all zionists’ (US, Israel, Hindu, non-muslim, muslim, European) plans to destroy Pakistan. You have given us new sense of history that Pakistan was not created 60 years ago but existed even before Islam came to the world. How could all these paleet Zionists made us to believe that Pakistan was part of India, it was the way around. Pakistanis have nothing to do with India, Pakistanis were always muslims even before Prophet. You have made us proud reminding us that Mohamad Bin- Kasim, Ghazni and Ghauri were Pakistanis and prophet was born in Lahore than he moved to Arabia later. You have done great service to Islam by exposing these bastard zionists’ agenda.

    Pakistani and youth from all over muslim world is looking for your leadership, we appreciate your efforts to bring Prophet’s birth place to Pakistan where it belongs. You are the only Pakistani (Except Hamid Gul)who is not afraid of CIA, Massad and RAW agents.If US, India, Israel and rest of the world don’t have courage to start war with Pakistan, then Pakistan should attack these countries to teach them a lesson. We are sure that attacking India will solve Pakistan’s problems. Israelese and Indians are already pissing in their pents when they hear roar of Pakistani lion. You are the only one who can lead muslim world into destruction, you are brave, intelligent and fearless, please fulfil the wish of Allah.

    We all love you, miss you and are proud of you, please come and visit us sometime. We want you to attack India to teach these paleet kafirs a lesson

    Yours

    All collegues
    Psychiatric Hospital, Ward 3
    Lahore, Pakistan

  100. Pakistan’s problems started the day it was created. The founding fathers never had any ideas what Pakistan was for, except demanding separate state on the basis of religion. They thought that muslims will be happy just having a muslim state, never foresaw responsibilities or problems that will come with it. This thinking is still reflected in every Pakistanis psyche, blaming everybody for all their problems.

    Another problem, Pakistanis are in denial, about their culture, history and can’t accept Asian heritage. Pakistanis have identity crisis, want to be Arabs whom Pakistanis have nothing in common and Arabs have never accepted Pakistanis on equal basis. Asian muslims returning from UAE or Saudi can tell you how respectfully they were treated by Arab muslim brothers. But for Pakistanis, Arabs or Afghans who killed their forefathers, converted them into Islam are their hero.

    It is funny to see how Pakistanis boast that they ruled world for 1000 years, even if that is not enough, even claim to rule Spain and Europe. I have Arab friends who laugh reading or listening to this. Even funnier when Pakistanis talk about Arabic scientists as they were Pakistanis.

    Why Pakistan as a country, has not decided yet what, how and why, it was created, what Pakistan wants to be? Why there is still debate after 60 years of its existance and creation, no other country has this problem but Pakistan? The reason for this question is that Pakistanis were promised an unrealistic haven on false pretences. South Asian muslims countries have progressed economically leaving Pakistan way far behind. That is why Pakistanis are irritated, angry and confused, seek refuse and solution in outdated, stone-age ideology. Pakistanis are waiting for a miracle to happen, to become Pakistan a paradise without hard work or taking responsibilities. Pakistanis have developed tendencies to blame another countires (India, USA etc) for their laziness or inactions. Allah, Sharia or reciting verses from Koran will not help or solve Pakistan’s problems, If Pakistanis want to progress then they should learn to work hard, be responsibile citizens and integrate into modern world.

  101. Pakistan’s problems started the day it was created. The founding fathers never had any ideas what Pakistan was for, except demanding separate state on the basis of religion. They thought that muslims will be happy just having a muslim state, never foresaw responsibilities or problems that will come with it. This thinking is still reflected in every Pakistanis psyche, blaming everybody for all their problems.

    Another problem, Pakistanis are in denial, about their culture, history and can’t accept Asian heritage. Pakistanis have identity crisis, want to be Arabs whom Pakistanis have nothing in common and Arabs have never accepted Pakistanis on equal basis. Asian muslims returning from UAE or Saudi can tell you how respectfully they were treated by Arab muslim brothers. But for Pakistanis, Arabs or Afghans who killed their forefathers, converted them into Islam are their hero.

    It is funny to see how Pakistanis boast that they ruled world for 1000 years, even if that is not enough, even claim to rule Spain and Europe. I have Arab friends who laugh reading or listening to this. Even funnier when Pakistanis talk about Arabic scientists as they were Pakistanis.

    Why Pakistan as a country, has not decided yet what, how and why, it was created, what Pakistan wants to be? Why there is still debate after 60 years of its existance and creation, no other country has this problem but Pakistan? The reason for this question is that Pakistanis were promised an unrealistic haven on false pretences. South Asian muslims countries have progressed economically leaving Pakistan way far behind. That is why Pakistanis are irritated, angry and confused, seek refuse and solution in outdated, stone-age ideology. Pakistanis are waiting for a miracle to happen, to become Pakistan a paradise without hard work or taking responsibilities. Pakistanis have developed tendencies to blame another countires (India, USA etc) for their laziness or inactions. Allah, Sharia or reciting verses from Koran will not help or solve Pakistan’s problems, If Pakistanis want to progress then they should learn to work hard, be responsibile citizens and integrate into modern world.

  102. Sir Zaid Hamid talks about peace, dignity and firmness in reality terms that has been showed by our Caliphs in muslim history. Then how come it became a brain washing tool. Whatever has been said by Sir Zaid Hamid is in all hearts of Pakistan and we all know that all researchs and methodology has been done against capitalism that it is flawed so as said by Sir Zaid Hamid.

    I suggest you to please have a go at history and how that paper money created and what people are ruling this world in which you and me lives in. No one is saying to beleive but on the other hand you should do your research as well before saying something about such a highy educated personality.

    If you still want to say that its brain washing and al that means you are not a person who can actually think that you have a brain at all or if you have than you seriously need some washing to clean it up with flaws so that you can see and breath in reality.

    We all want peace but not at a cost of our dignity and faith. we dont want to change you you are diry remain dirty but please dont claim anything without your own research.

    Thanks

  103. Sir Zaid Hamid talks about peace, dignity and firmness in reality terms that has been showed by our Caliphs in muslim history. Then how come it became a brain washing tool. Whatever has been said by Sir Zaid Hamid is in all hearts of Pakistan and we all know that all researchs and methodology has been done against capitalism that it is flawed so as said by Sir Zaid Hamid.

    I suggest you to please have a go at history and how that paper money created and what people are ruling this world in which you and me lives in. No one is saying to beleive but on the other hand you should do your research as well before saying something about such a highy educated personality.

    If you still want to say that its brain washing and al that means you are not a person who can actually think that you have a brain at all or if you have than you seriously need some washing to clean it up with flaws so that you can see and breath in reality.

    We all want peace but not at a cost of our dignity and faith. we dont want to change you you are diry remain dirty but please dont claim anything without your own research.

    Thanks

  104. People like you and Zaid hamid are the reason why Pakistanis are stuck with middle ages mentality, living in fool’s paradise and on borrowed glory (Pakistan ruled world for 1000 years). Good luck to you and to your prophet Zaid hamid.

  105. Anonymous – be careful as this guy – pissed at the comment approval process I have on this site for porn spam – sent me an email thru the contact page with a death threat! He is mad at the “propaganda” against his master, Zaid… who obviously cannot take criticism. This joker can only shout and malign others.. but the moment you put him in his place.. he has issues with that and sends his compliant jokers to threaten others.

    Of course, all that is of no consequence to others and me anyways. Either learn to live in a diverse world or perish!

  106. People like you and Zaid hamid are the reason why Pakistanis are stuck with middle ages mentality, living in fool’s paradise and on borrowed glory (Pakistan ruled world for 1000 years). Good luck to you and to your prophet Zaid hamid.

  107. Anonymous – be careful as this guy – pissed at the comment approval process I have on this site for porn spam – sent me an email thru the contact page with a death threat! He is mad at the “propaganda” against his master, Zaid… who obviously cannot take criticism. This joker can only shout and malign others.. but the moment you put him in his place.. he has issues with that and sends his compliant jokers to threaten others.

    Of course, all that is of no consequence to others and me anyways. Either learn to live in a diverse world or perish!

  108. Operation Chanakya II: Over last few years, R&AW is covertly executing an offensive second phase operation, Chanakya II, which employs a “win trust in disguise, divide and conquer” strategy. While R&AW continues to expand its spy network outreach deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan, paradoxically, this strategy also includes sponsorship of groups that professedly preach a vehemently anti-India, pro-Pakistan, nationalistic ideology to the Pakistani masses. R&AW covertly nurtures media personalities, think-tanks and defense analysis consulting groups in Pakistan who attempt to squarely influence Pakistani popular thinking stoking the anti-establishment sentiment and a foreign invasion paranoia. R&AW assumes that this strategy would raise a new leadership in Pakistan that would first win the trust of the masses, then infiltrate into the corridors of Pakistani political power, and finally work in disguise towards the consolidation of Indian influence on the entire Indus riparian.

  109. Operation Chanakya II: Over last few years, R&AW is covertly executing an offensive second phase operation, Chanakya II, which employs a “win trust in disguise, divide and conquer” strategy. While R&AW continues to expand its spy network outreach deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan, paradoxically, this strategy also includes sponsorship of groups that professedly preach a vehemently anti-India, pro-Pakistan, nationalistic ideology to the Pakistani masses. R&AW covertly nurtures media personalities, think-tanks and defense analysis consulting groups in Pakistan who attempt to squarely influence Pakistani popular thinking stoking the anti-establishment sentiment and a foreign invasion paranoia. R&AW assumes that this strategy would raise a new leadership in Pakistan that would first win the trust of the masses, then infiltrate into the corridors of Pakistani political power, and finally work in disguise towards the consolidation of Indian influence on the entire Indus riparian.

  110. Operation Chanakya II: Over last few years, R&AW is covertly executing an offensive second phase operation, Chanakya II, which employs a “win trust in disguise, divide and conquer” strategy. While R&AW continues to expand its spy network outreach deeper into Afghanistan and Pakistan, paradoxically, this strategy also includes sponsorship of groups that professedly preach a vehemently anti-India, pro-Pakistan, nationalistic ideology to the Pakistani masses. R&AW covertly nurtures media personalities, think-tanks and defense analysis consulting groups in Pakistan who attempt to squarely influence Pakistani popular thinking stoking the anti-establishment sentiment and a foreign invasion paranoia. R&AW assumes that this strategy would raise a new leadership in Pakistan that would first win the trust of the masses, then infiltrate into the corridors of Pakistani political power, and finally work in disguise towards the consolidation of Indian influence on the entire Indus riparian.

  111. I would request you everyone to Please clear your minds for Zaid Hamid … He is True Mard-e-Momin and Mujahid … Go through my blog … Read it … and be the part of Mr.Zaid Hamid mission for Takmeel-e-Pakistan … Your comments will be highly appreciated. Thanks.

    http://slimlogix.blogspot.com/

  112. Below is the Email communication which is I think helpful for you people to understand the truth.

    Assalamoalikum,

    There are few things which i would like to bring into your notice here. He is smart what he said in his you tube about aqaid the same almost he wrote on a paper format Iqrar Nama i read that too.

    Now try to understand it here the case with cool mind. He seems not culprit by himself when we all heard about his ideology. The problem is he is linked with Yousuf kazzab and he is his Kalifa and Sahabi. (Audio Is also there of the speech. It was proven by the court and by the people who knows him in the court.)

    He did not said anything wrong about Yosuf kazzab in his Youtube as well as his written matter which he recently released as his iqrar nama. Although it is launch day before yesterday or yesterday.

    Now try to understand it in different way, If you know him by any means Ghulam ahmed Qadiani or not but you will say him kafir & Murtid after knowing his aqaids. right. You will not say only, That i believe on Allah and Rasool SAW and i am not concern with Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. No …. You have to say Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani is Kafir and murtid.
    Your eman and deeni ghairat will not let you quiet on Jhotay nabi Marzai par.
    It is part of Emaniat.

    Now, here he did not say anything about Yousuf Kazzab still, It is required indeed. We have no argument if his personality become clear again as he was in my good book earlier when i dont know about him even every Pakistani was thinking like this.

    Second thing for an example, If you know a little bit about Qadiani then you will know their Tareeqa Wardaat.
    You will be surprise, Even now they are saying we believe on Nabi SAW, Some will say he is the last prophet even(Only few). Why…. they beleif Ghulam Ahmed is same as Mohammed, (zilli or browsi taur par) Naozobillah or he is Mehdi or sometimes he is Maseeh Maood. See even now.
    How do you know about them? by their books what his False and liar prophet said in his book about his aqaid. Now even they reject we know all their aqaid by the books. They have to condemn Ghulam AHmed Qadiani in any case which they do not, so even now if they says they beleif on Nabi SAW they are still Ahmedi/Qadiani and non Muslims. right.

    Why, This Zaid Hamid did not say anything against him still, he is only doing lafzon ka hair phair. If he clear his views as per the shariah then he is my brother and also a role model to listen and follow his ideology.

    In the above attachments that you sent to me of Zaid Hamid. In which he said it is a ilmi Discussion was going on with Majlis tahafuz-e- Khatme nabuwat. Just listen the You tube links you sent me in the other email. are those wording which he used for Ulemas, Debandis and islamic scholars are ilmi guftugo. Sad afsos hai. Please listen again he said they are jhotay kazaab, 2 takky k molvi fisad barpa karani walay, firoan. is this ilmi guftogu.
    Zaid hamid is the biggest liar and a big fitna.

    See the answer of your attachments.
    http://zaidhamidexposition.wor

    Please come out from his dajal. After listening you will understand how big liar he is. He is a fraudia and using media to fool people but more important for me is you before others.

    Please read the following Article and think logically and I pray to Allah to guide all muslims on correct path.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/2816

    Please see another proof against him. he is the suspect.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/2820

    I also put some comment on your second email but those comments i wrote before this email so if you want to read those no problem but after this email , i hope and prayed all things will be cleared in your mind.

    Allah ham sub ko hidayat naseeb farmaiy aur hidayat par rakhay. ameen.

    Warmest Regards
    Azeem

    Other side response of my trailing email
    There are 3 attachments in this email of the person, one which is the letter of Dr. Israr Ahmed on 9/03/2010,
    I already put the link in the end of the post which will answer the first attachment.

    2nd & 3rd attachment related to that he is not link by any means of Maulana Shahadat. You can see his entire document on the internets. I have answered this in my leading email.

    Assalam U Alaikum,

    I’m glad to hear that you remembered all those emails I sent regarding Zaid Hamid on Pakistan, USA, CIA & Khilafat. He was linked with Yousuf Kazaab for a fact. But hidayat from ALLAH subhanawa Tallah can change anyone at anytime in life. So, the question that I have and many others would like to ask is about his faith & belief.
    Is he in fact pushing the torch of Yousuf Kazzab forward??? or is he trying to do something else?? What are his motives??

    Attached above are the articles regarding this matter.
    A good advice is good for all in general and we are advised by our prophet S.A.W.W to listen and analyze. His vision about pakistan, return of khilafa, interest free economy are clear and we appreciate them. His informative lectures on Zionist & Zionism, Jews, CIA conspiracy & many other hard hitting & EYE opening topics are MUST WATCH for muslims from ANY maslak.

    That all said, Muslim scholars from ashraful madaris believe that Zaid Hamid, Zakir Naik & many other lecturers who are extremely influential are on their watch list.
    So, it is advisable not to trust everything they say & to consult from QURAN & SUNNAT before following them.

    Let us all be open minded enough to FIND THE TRUTH, A man is only accused until he is found guilty, in between that time we all should search & examine the facts.

    Regards,

    P.S. May ALLAH guide us all.

    My first email, which I sent to the person earlier

    Assalamoalaikum,

    It is confirmed Maulana did challange to prove Yusuf Kazzab did try for false prophethood. and Zaid Hamid is linked with him. Who is Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri, He (rahmatullah Alai) was the Ameer of Majlis -e-Tahafuz Khatm-e-Nabuwat after Ameer Yusuf Ludhyanwi shaheed RA. He was also answering apke Masail or unka hal in the Friday Jang newspaper after the shahadat of Maulana Yousuf Ludhyani.
    I am here posting the link of the Umat Newspaper article in which, it was questioned to Zaid Hanid First.
    http://www.kashifhafeez.com/la

    And also posting the interview of Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri,

    Interview of Maulana Saeed Ahmad Jalalpuri Sahab Regarding Yousuf Kazzab & Zaid Hamid
    Yesterday, I went to “Aalmi Majlis e Tahaffuz e Khatm e Nubuwwat” (AMTKN) office at Purani Numaish, M.A. Jinnah Road, Masjid Babur Rehmat, Karachi Pakistan. And, I got an opportunity to talk to Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri sahab himself, who is the Ameer of AMTKN. I am producing my conversation with respected Maulana below in the form of questions and answers:
    Q: Did some one from AMTKN or Ulema Karam actively participate in the case against Yusuf Kazab?
    A: Obviously ! the case was registered by Maulana Muhammad Ismail Shuja Abadi on the directions of quaideen of AMTKN
    Q: Some people say that the Yusuf Kazab became a victim of Daily Khabrain Editor Zia Shahid’s enmity because Zia Shahid had some land/money dispute with Yusuf Kazab?
    A: Suppose, if this was the case, then leave Zia Shahid, and take rest of the evidences, which are too much, coming from too many sources, too strong and too crystal clear in nature. AMTKN challenges any one who have any “proof” that Yusuf Kazab did not claimed to be a prophet, plea

    se come forward and AMTKN will listen him/her carefully, analyze those proofs and will clarify its stance publicly with all those proofs and counter-proofs. Its an open challenge for any one.
    Q: Maulana, how AMTKN proof that Zaid Hamid was indeed “Syed Zaid Zaman”, the Khalifa of Yusuf Kazab?
    A: I recommend you to read my booklet which contain non refutable proof that “Syed Zaid Zaman”, the Khalifa of Yusuf Kazab is none other than Zaid Hamid. AMTKN stand by this document and if Zaid Hamid wants to refute it or prove us wrong than he is more than welcome to visit us any time he like. We would sit together and discuss all counter proofs that he have and inshaAllah there will be khair. Nothing to fight over, its very simple, we have proofs you have counter-proofs, lets sit together and resolve it once and for all.
    Q: Maulana do you have all those proofs in the documentation form?
    A: Not only do we have those proofs in the documentation form, but those people who were affected by the murtid Yusuf Kazab are in our loop. I have personally met with some of those people as well.
    Q: Person A was a follower of Yusuf Kazab, but now he says that he has “nothing to do with Yusuf or his beliefs or any other people like him”. What is the minimum requirement according to Shariah for Person A to come out clear from the mess he was involved in his past?
    A: According to Shariah, Person A will have to do the following:
    1. Acceptance – Accept publicly and openly that he “did” a mistake by negating the finality of Prophet Muhammad Salalaho Alayhi Wassalam and by following a liar Kazab and a false prophet.
    2. Repentance – Repent that what ever he did was indeed a great sin and do Tauba and Astaghfar with Allah Subhanahu Ta’ala.
    3. Disassociate – Disassociate publicly and openly that now he is no more a follower of Yusuf Kazab and his beliefs
    4. Condemn – Condemn publicly and openly that Yusuf Kazab was indeed a liar and a murtid
    5. Tajdeed e Iman – Do tajdeed of Iman (which also includes tajdeed of Aqid e Khatm e Nubuwwat) publicly and openly
    6. Tajdeed e Nikah – Do tajdeed of Nikah
    Q: [I show Maulana, the responses that Zaid Hamid sahab has given so far and ask his opinion] if they fulfill the requirement of Shariah?
    A: No, these vague statements are not enough and does not fulfill the requirements of Shariah (as mentioned in the answer of above question).
    Q: Maulana, will AMTKN welcome Zaid Hamid if he wishes to visit you to discuss this issue in detail?
    A: I’ve already stated it in clear terms, we will welcome Zaid Hamid to come and discuss this issue. But, I can also tell you one thing, if Zaid Hamid is a culprit and is double crossing then, mark my words, he will never come, he will prefer to drink poison than visiting us at AMTKN office.

    Regarda
    Azeem

    This is the addition I did later as I saw this recently posted and it will also exposed false propaganda of Zaid Hamid.

    See the truth of Dr. Israr Ahmed relation. (we can find so many other details about him too on the following website)

    http://zaidhamidexposition.wor

  113. Below is the Email communication which is I think helpful for you people to understand the truth.

    Assalamoalikum,

    There are few things which i would like to bring into your notice here. He is smart what he said in his you tube about aqaid the same almost he wrote on a paper format Iqrar Nama i read that too.

    Now try to understand it here the case with cool mind. He seems not culprit by himself when we all heard about his ideology. The problem is he is linked with Yousuf kazzab and he is his Kalifa and Sahabi. (Audio Is also there of the speech. It was proven by the court and by the people who knows him in the court.)

    He did not said anything wrong about Yosuf kazzab in his Youtube as well as his written matter which he recently released as his iqrar nama. Although it is launch day before yesterday or yesterday.

    Now try to understand it in different way, If you know him by any means Ghulam ahmed Qadiani or not but you will say him kafir & Murtid after knowing his aqaids. right. You will not say only, That i believe on Allah and Rasool SAW and i am not concern with Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. No …. You have to say Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani is Kafir and murtid.
    Your eman and deeni ghairat will not let you quiet on Jhotay nabi Marzai par.
    It is part of Emaniat.

    Now, here he did not say anything about Yousuf Kazzab still, It is required indeed. We have no argument if his personality become clear again as he was in my good book earlier when i dont know about him even every Pakistani was thinking like this.

    Second thing for an example, If you know a little bit about Qadiani then you will know their Tareeqa Wardaat.
    You will be surprise, Even now they are saying we believe on Nabi SAW, Some will say he is the last prophet even(Only few). Why…. they beleif Ghulam Ahmed is same as Mohammed, (zilli or browsi taur par) Naozobillah or he is Mehdi or sometimes he is Maseeh Maood. See even now.
    How do you know about them? by their books what his False and liar prophet said in his book about his aqaid. Now even they reject we know all their aqaid by the books. They have to condemn Ghulam AHmed Qadiani in any case which they do not, so even now if they says they beleif on Nabi SAW they are still Ahmedi/Qadiani and non Muslims. right.

    Why, This Zaid Hamid did not say anything against him still, he is only doing lafzon ka hair phair. If he clear his views as per the shariah then he is my brother and also a role model to listen and follow his ideology.

    In the above attachments that you sent to me of Zaid Hamid. In which he said it is a ilmi Discussion was going on with Majlis tahafuz-e- Khatme nabuwat. Just listen the You tube links you sent me in the other email. are those wording which he used for Ulemas, Debandis and islamic scholars are ilmi guftugo. Sad afsos hai. Please listen again he said they are jhotay kazaab, 2 takky k molvi fisad barpa karani walay, firoan. is this ilmi guftogu.
    Zaid hamid is the biggest liar and a big fitna.

    See the answer of your attachments.
    http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.com/

    Please come out from his dajal. After listening you will understand how big liar he is. He is a fraudia and using media to fool people but more important for me is you before others.

    Please read the following Article and think logically and I pray to Allah to guide all muslims on correct path.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/28168015/Pori-Pakistani-Baradari-Jhooti-Ya-Akela-Zaid-Zaman-Khatam-e-Nabuwat

    Please see another proof against him. he is the suspect.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/28202289/AMTKN-Open-Challenge-to-Zaid-Hamid

    I also put some comment on your second email but those comments i wrote before this email so if you want to read those no problem but after this email , i hope and prayed all things will be cleared in your mind.

    Allah ham sub ko hidayat naseeb farmaiy aur hidayat par rakhay. ameen.

    Warmest Regards
    Azeem

    Other side response of my trailing email
    There are 3 attachments in this email of the person, one which is the letter of Dr. Israr Ahmed on 9/03/2010,
    I already put the link in the end of the post which will answer the first attachment.

    2nd & 3rd attachment related to that he is not link by any means of Maulana Shahadat. You can see his entire document on the internets. I have answered this in my leading email.

    Assalam U Alaikum,

    I’m glad to hear that you remembered all those emails I sent regarding Zaid Hamid on Pakistan, USA, CIA & Khilafat. He was linked with Yousuf Kazaab for a fact. But hidayat from ALLAH subhanawa Tallah can change anyone at anytime in life. So, the question that I have and many others would like to ask is about his faith & belief.
    Is he in fact pushing the torch of Yousuf Kazzab forward??? or is he trying to do something else?? What are his motives??

    Attached above are the articles regarding this matter.
    A good advice is good for all in general and we are advised by our prophet S.A.W.W to listen and analyze. His vision about pakistan, return of khilafa, interest free economy are clear and we appreciate them. His informative lectures on Zionist & Zionism, Jews, CIA conspiracy & many other hard hitting & EYE opening topics are MUST WATCH for muslims from ANY maslak.

    That all said, Muslim scholars from ashraful madaris believe that Zaid Hamid, Zakir Naik & many other lecturers who are extremely influential are on their watch list.
    So, it is advisable not to trust everything they say & to consult from QURAN & SUNNAT before following them.

    Let us all be open minded enough to FIND THE TRUTH, A man is only accused until he is found guilty, in between that time we all should search & examine the facts.

    Regards,

    P.S. May ALLAH guide us all.

    My first email, which I sent to the person earlier

    Assalamoalaikum,

    It is confirmed Maulana did challange to prove Yusuf Kazzab did try for false prophethood. and Zaid Hamid is linked with him. Who is Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri, He (rahmatullah Alai) was the Ameer of Majlis -e-Tahafuz Khatm-e-Nabuwat after Ameer Yusuf Ludhyanwi shaheed RA. He was also answering apke Masail or unka hal in the Friday Jang newspaper after the shahadat of Maulana Yousuf Ludhyani.
    I am here posting the link of the Umat Newspaper article in which, it was questioned to Zaid Hanid First.
    http://www.kashifhafeez.com/large.php?path=2008-10-06&img=kh_articles/large/2008-10-06.gif

    And also posting the interview of Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri,

    Interview of Maulana Saeed Ahmad Jalalpuri Sahab Regarding Yousuf Kazzab & Zaid Hamid
    Yesterday, I went to “Aalmi Majlis e Tahaffuz e Khatm e Nubuwwat” (AMTKN) office at Purani Numaish, M.A. Jinnah Road, Masjid Babur Rehmat, Karachi Pakistan. And, I got an opportunity to talk to Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri sahab himself, who is the Ameer of AMTKN. I am producing my conversation with respected Maulana below in the form of questions and answers:
    Q: Did some one from AMTKN or Ulema Karam actively participate in the case against Yusuf Kazab?
    A: Obviously ! the case was registered by Maulana Muhammad Ismail Shuja Abadi on the directions of quaideen of AMTKN
    Q: Some people say that the Yusuf Kazab became a victim of Daily Khabrain Editor Zia Shahid’s enmity because Zia Shahid had some land/money dispute with Yusuf Kazab?
    A: Suppose, if this was the case, then leave Zia Shahid, and take rest of the evidences, which are too much, coming from too many sources, too strong and too crystal clear in nature. AMTKN challenges any one who have any “proof” that Yusuf Kazab did not claimed to be a prophet, please come forward and AMTKN will listen him/her carefully, analyze those proofs and will clarify its stance publicly with all those proofs and counter-proofs. Its an open challenge for any one.
    Q: Maulana, how AMTKN proof that Zaid Hamid was indeed “Syed Zaid Zaman”, the Khalifa of Yusuf Kazab?
    A: I recommend you to read my booklet which contain non refutable proof that “Syed Zaid Zaman”, the Khalifa of Yusuf Kazab is none other than Zaid Hamid. AMTKN stand by this document and if Zaid Hamid wants to refute it or prove us wrong than he is more than welcome to visit us any time he like. We would sit together and discuss all counter proofs that he have and inshaAllah there will be khair. Nothing to fight over, its very simple, we have proofs you have counter-proofs, lets sit together and resolve it once and for all.
    Q: Maulana do you have all those proofs in the documentation form?
    A: Not only do we have those proofs in the documentation form, but those people who were affected by the murtid Yusuf Kazab are in our loop. I have personally met with some of those people as well.
    Q: Person A was a follower of Yusuf Kazab, but now he says that he has “nothing to do with Yusuf or his beliefs or any other people like him”. What is the minimum requirement according to Shariah for Person A to come out clear from the mess he was involved in his past?
    A: According to Shariah, Person A will have to do the following:
    1. Acceptance – Accept publicly and openly that he “did” a mistake by negating the finality of Prophet Muhammad Salalaho Alayhi Wassalam and by following a liar Kazab and a false prophet.
    2. Repentance – Repent that what ever he did was indeed a great sin and do Tauba and Astaghfar with Allah Subhanahu Ta’ala.
    3. Disassociate – Disassociate publicly and openly that now he is no more a follower of Yusuf Kazab and his beliefs
    4. Condemn – Condemn publicly and openly that Yusuf Kazab was indeed a liar and a murtid
    5. Tajdeed e Iman – Do tajdeed of Iman (which also includes tajdeed of Aqid e Khatm e Nubuwwat) publicly and openly
    6. Tajdeed e Nikah – Do tajdeed of Nikah
    Q: [I show Maulana, the responses that Zaid Hamid sahab has given so far and ask his opinion] if they fulfill the requirement of Shariah?
    A: No, these vague statements are not enough and does not fulfill the requirements of Shariah (as mentioned in the answer of above question).
    Q: Maulana, will AMTKN welcome Zaid Hamid if he wishes to visit you to discuss this issue in detail?
    A: I’ve already stated it in clear terms, we will welcome Zaid Hamid to come and discuss this issue. But, I can also tell you one thing, if Zaid Hamid is a culprit and is double crossing then, mark my words, he will never come, he will prefer to drink poison than visiting us at AMTKN office.

    Regarda
    Azeem

    This is the addition I did later as I saw this recently posted and it will also exposed false propaganda of Zaid Hamid.

    See the truth of Dr. Israr Ahmed relation. (we can find so many other details about him too on the following website)

    http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/tanzeem-i-islami-issues-a-second-press-release-blasts-zaid-hamid-declares-yusuf-a-kazab-once-again/

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