An Indian Civilizational Perspective

Congress wins big – Congratulations!!

In these days of coalition, getting over 200 seats singlehandedly should be considered a “land-slide”! It also underscores the fact that Congress does have the pulse of the land in its strategy.

BJP lost at least 18 seats that it had won last time and Left went down by 36. So, if BJP didn’t “get it”, then Left DOUBLY doesn’t “get it”! Between the “Left” and the “Right” of the Indian polity is the “Center”. The country basically said resoundingly.. that it is Centrist. Not that hisory bears it out – because I truly feel that Congress has played its cards with either Leftists and also been communal in its own right (1984 massacres proved that decisively) – but at least they are able to carry that perception through.

Another factor that is important is the image of the leader. Dr. Manmohan Singh has an image of a wise and deliberate personality. He is a serious person with great achievements and someone who, I feel made modern business-oriented and progressive India, what it is today. I surely do not agree with many of his policies but no one can take away the fact that he is a serious guy who has the good of the country at his heart. Advani, although one of the best Home Ministers in recent decades, cannot seem to get away from image of being a “hawk”.

So, if I was BJP’s head, I would concede this election gracefully.. congratulate Dr. Singh and Rahul Gandhi and prepare to do a better job next time. There is a time for “fight” and there is a time for “graceful acceptance”. After the elections, this is the time for the latter!

One thing that I find VERY good in this result is that at the very least, Congress would not have to “compromise” much on its agenda. With the loss of Left – actually a complete wipe-out! – it is a great situation for Congress… and specifically Dr. Manmohan Singh to take off from where he left his Financial and economic reforms that he started in 1992.

That the Left has been completely and comprehensively routed in West Bengal and Kerala – which have been considered its hinterland – is greatly heartening for me. I truly considered Leftists as anti-national and the most wretched bunch of people in the Indian polity. We Indians have no reason to suffer them. West Bengal has seen the complete mess that their state was made during the over 25 years of Left rule. From the most progressive and industrial state, it is a true BIMARU state. Businessmen hate to go there for its industrial culture is the WORST in the country and only truly adventurous end up there. But those like Ratan Tata then have to quickly move out.

If you go back in history, you will see that Communists started a grass-roots movement to bring in communism in West Bengal and changed a state which had produced the greatest Spiritual luminaries of the past two centuries – Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna Paramhans, Aurobindo, Tagore – to be a place where spirituality and God was an anathema! Such was the wretchedness of this bunch of anti-national idiots. As much as Bengalis profess their love for Tagore, little do they realize that if Tagore was alive today, he would have been the most hated person of the Leftists. In fact, a Tagore cannot even come in that land today!

Interestingly, what worked for Leftists – of championing for the poor by targetting the industrialists, seems to have been taken to heart by Trinamool.. and it has succeeded using the same strategy that Lefists used. The masses are in the same place – they hate industry and are made to love freebies – just that the champions have changed! Now, Trinamool ensures that better than Leftists did. That’s all!

In Kerala this year, Congress swept over the CPI (M). This is a BETTER story than the one in West Bengal. Because THIS represents a “Paradigm Shift”. In West Bengal, it is the “Same Old”. Not so in Kerala. I guess with the expatriates coming back this year in droves from Gulf, the mindset may be getting affected.. which may be contributing to the “Paradigm Shift” that we see via this elections. This is something that needs to be celebrated.

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30 Comments
  1. Anonymous says

    Near perfect election results, in my opinion… for the following reasons:

    1. After a long time (in fact, probably the first time after Rajiv Gandhi’s famous win), a government will walk into office confident of the mandate it has from the people.

    2. The Left and a lot of small jokers finally get the boot they deserved. Caste politics of Mayawati and Laloo gets squashed; Opportunists like Jayalalitha, Paswan and Sharad Pawar get snubbed; BJP gets a rude but much needed wake up call.

    3. A tremendous boost for the Economy and the Financial Markets (and what a time to get it, in the midst of a global financial crisis!). As one market analyst quipped, “Just not seeing Karat on TV is worth a 500 points rise”. 😉 Just shows how the Left was holding the economy at ransom and the kind of fear and disgust they arouse.

    3. BJP, despite its losses, has emerged as a strong opposition party; for better or for worse, it is the end of Advani-Vajpayee era. This should give them a good chance to introspect and I hope like hell that they will chose a sensible (and preferably young) new leader who can give good competition to Rahul Gandhi – who is very likely to be Congress’ next PM candidate. If, on the other hand, someone like MM Joshi or Rajnath Singh are chosen, it will be bye-bye BJP for a long-long time, which would be terrible for the country.

    4. The attribution of successes to good governance is a phenomenal shift; success of Shiela Dixit in Delhi, Modi in Gujarat and Nitish in Bihar would hopefully encourage attempts to emulate them.

    5. Montek Singh is likely to be the new Finance Minister and I don’t think there exists any better qualified candidate for the job. Manmohan is already talking about inducting youngsters into cabinet – and not only Rahul – but also others like Sachin Pilot and Sandeep Dixit. It’s time to give youth a chance.

    6. Finally, the defeat of ‘chamchas’ like Mani Shankar Iyer despite a strong Congress performance will hopefully help Congress to weed out the scum.

  2. Rakesh says

    According to me media has made the difference for Congress, irrespective of the agenda put forward by any party.
    Media till the last stage of voting made every possible effort to show BJP as a communal force.
    It played a very crucial psycological game.
    It also did every thing to hide all the short commings of UPA in 5 years.

    One more crucial thing is that all minority (Christians & Muslims) peple voted for Congress. As instructed by their religious associations. (It was also published in Times of India main page).

    So for BJP it was a lost game before the election started.

  3. Anonymous says

    Near perfect election results, in my opinion… for the following reasons:

    1. After a long time (in fact, probably the first time after Rajiv Gandhi’s famous win), a government will walk into office confident of the mandate it has from the people.

    2. The Left and a lot of small jokers finally get the boot they deserved. Caste politics of Mayawati and Laloo gets squashed; Opportunists like Jayalalitha, Paswan and Sharad Pawar get snubbed; BJP gets a rude but much needed wake up call.

    3. A tremendous boost for the Economy and the Financial Markets (and what a time to get it, in the midst of a global financial crisis!). As one market analyst quipped, “Just not seeing Karat on TV is worth a 500 points rise”. 😉 Just shows how the Left was holding the economy at ransom and the kind of fear and disgust they arouse.

    3. BJP, despite its losses, has emerged as a strong opposition party; for better or for worse, it is the end of Advani-Vajpayee era. This should give them a good chance to introspect and I hope like hell that they will chose a sensible (and preferably young) new leader who can give good competition to Rahul Gandhi – who is very likely to be Congress’ next PM candidate. If, on the other hand, someone like MM Joshi or Rajnath Singh are chosen, it will be bye-bye BJP for a long-long time, which would be terrible for the country.

    4. The attribution of successes to good governance is a phenomenal shift; success of Shiela Dixit in Delhi, Modi in Gujarat and Nitish in Bihar would hopefully encourage attempts to emulate them.

    5. Montek Singh is likely to be the new Finance Minister and I don’t think there exists any better qualified candidate for the job. Manmohan is already talking about inducting youngsters into cabinet – and not only Rahul – but also others like Sachin Pilot and Sandeep Dixit. It’s time to give youth a chance.

    6. Finally, the defeat of ‘chamchas’ like Mani Shankar Iyer despite a strong Congress performance will hopefully help Congress to weed out the scum.

  4. Desh says

    Rakesh – I agree with you. It gave Dr. Singh a pass when he brushed aside the 1984 massacres but it was hell bent on hitting Modi and BJP. My view is that every political party is afraid that if the majority gets behind any party then the future for all other parties is finished. This effort started with indictment of Godse and deliberate induction of RSS in the mix. Sardar Patel had specifically written to Nehru saying that there was no evidence to support this. Why Nehru still went ahead (of course fabricating evidence to create the linkage) is easy to understand now.

    But still managing perceptions and playing the political game is also part of Politics… and Congress does it better. So, that’s that.

  5. Desh says

    I agree with all your points. Despite what Rahul Gandhi looks like, for the sake of democracy in the country, I hope that he doesn’t start another chapter in the dynastic rule. This has got to stop. I like him as a personality and what he says.. but I am looking at the democractic structure and for its sake this dynasty should stop.

    Anyways, to each its own. I Hope the people you mentioned – Montek Singh Ahluwalia and Sandeep Dixit (who happens to my senior from my alma mater) – do join in the cabinet – in terms of improving the quality of the cabinet and bringing in fresh blood. I think it will be a great win for the country!

  6. Rakesh says

    According to me media has made the difference for Congress, irrespective of the agenda put forward by any party.
    Media till the last stage of voting made every possible effort to show BJP as a communal force.
    It played a very crucial psycological game.
    It also did every thing to hide all the short commings of UPA in 5 years.

    One more crucial thing is that all minority (Christians & Muslims) peple voted for Congress. As instructed by their religious associations. (It was also published in Times of India main page).

    So for BJP it was a lost game before the election started.

  7. Desh says

    Rakesh – I agree with you. It gave Dr. Singh a pass when he brushed aside the 1984 massacres but it was hell bent on hitting Modi and BJP. My view is that every political party is afraid that if the majority gets behind any party then the future for all other parties is finished. This effort started with indictment of Godse and deliberate induction of RSS in the mix. Sardar Patel had specifically written to Nehru saying that there was no evidence to support this. Why Nehru still went ahead (of course fabricating evidence to create the linkage) is easy to understand now.

    But still managing perceptions and playing the political game is also part of Politics… and Congress does it better. So, that’s that.

  8. Desh says

    I agree with all your points. Despite what Rahul Gandhi looks like, for the sake of democracy in the country, I hope that he doesn’t start another chapter in the dynastic rule. This has got to stop. I like him as a personality and what he says.. but I am looking at the democractic structure and for its sake this dynasty should stop.

    Anyways, to each its own. I Hope the people you mentioned – Montek Singh Ahluwalia and Sandeep Dixit (who happens to my senior from my alma mater) – do join in the cabinet – in terms of improving the quality of the cabinet and bringing in fresh blood. I think it will be a great win for the country!

  9. Anonymous says

    Well said. One can blame the media as much as one likes but Media management is part of the skill set expected of a successful political campaign. BJP has now failed on this count twice (2004, 2009) and they need to sit down and device a sound media strategy.

    While it was the India Shining fiasco in 2004, this time I think it was a combined effect of several minor fiascoes. BJP seemed confused and their confusion was allowed to be on public display on Varun Gandhi and Muthalik; there seemed to be internal unrest between Joshi and Advani; and Jaitley and Rajnath Singh; BJP leaned towards the Left on Indo-US nuclear deal when almost the entire nation was backing it and they themselves had initiated it; Advani, very uncharacteristically, attacked Manmohan and later tried to underplay it, but by then the damage was already done and Manmohan had gained public and media sympathy; BJP also tried to win political brownie points out of 26/11 while Congress handled it pretty well – swiftly sacking the Home minister and minimizing the damage.

    The media has not always been pro-Congress – the media also played its role in bringing BJP to the position it is today, right from the days of VP Singh. The difference is that, at that time, media was dominated by Print Media (remember the role of Indian Express in propping up VP Singh and bringing down Rajiv Gandhi) whereas now media is much more “in-your-face” and not restricted to the educated elite with numerous 24-hour news channels. Perhaps BJP is yet to come to terms with the “new” media.

    That all political parties have, on several occasions, ganged up and have treated BJP as untouchable is unfortunate indeed. I don’t think they are any more “communal” or any less “secular” than anyone else but this is politics and no one will spare a chance to malign an opponent. Further, as you yourself pointed out elsewhere on this blog, if BJP had got 170+ seats, they would not have remained “communal” anymore.

    And the BJP has a source of inspiration within its fold – Modi. Despite relentless “communal-bashing”, if Modi can shut his detractors up (or at least make their rants meaningless) by his performance, so can the rest of BJP. Jaitely and Sushma Swaraj also are very media savvy and the three together should be given this responsibility.

  10. Desh says

    I believe in the end, to be above the normal fray and be successful on a long term basis, every politician has to move to becoming a “Statesman”.. which is a matter of perception of course… but its also about how the politician engages with people and creates his/her image.

    Nehru was known as a statesman, Indira Gandhi was another, Vajpayee was also in recent times, and now Dr. Singh. Even Sonia Gandhi is cultivating that image.

    Part of the persona of a statesman is how best he can appeal to the higher consciousness or abilities and virtues of people.. both in action and in speech. That has been missing in Advani and Modi as yet. Modi comes closest to that… but he has some way to go before he can be there.

    Among the media savvy in BJP, I agree that Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley are great. I would even engage Arun Shourie. I still remember how well he aroused the public during Bofors time and also during the sentencing of Satwant Singh (who was hanged without adequate evidence) in the 1980s using some very biting articles and the call for Delhi-ites to “Honk” for Satwant Singh’s release.

    We need people like these to take on the mantle of Statesmen and women in BJP…

    In Congress, I would like to see more of Sandeep Dixits and the like coming up. Rahul Gandhi looks good, but for me he is an “iffy” because of his name. I want a democracy and not a sycophancy as our political structure.

  11. Anonymous says

    Well said. One can blame the media as much as one likes but Media management is part of the skill set expected of a successful political campaign. BJP has now failed on this count twice (2004, 2009) and they need to sit down and device a sound media strategy.

    While it was the India Shining fiasco in 2004, this time I think it was a combined effect of several minor fiascoes. BJP seemed confused and their confusion was allowed to be on public display on Varun Gandhi and Muthalik; there seemed to be internal unrest between Joshi and Advani; and Jaitley and Rajnath Singh; BJP leaned towards the Left on Indo-US nuclear deal when almost the entire nation was backing it and they themselves had initiated it; Advani, very uncharacteristically, attacked Manmohan and later tried to underplay it, but by then the damage was already done and Manmohan had gained public and media sympathy; BJP also tried to win political brownie points out of 26/11 while Congress handled it pretty well – swiftly sacking the Home minister and minimizing the damage.

    The media has not always been pro-Congress – the media also played its role in bringing BJP to the position it is today, right from the days of VP Singh. The difference is that, at that time, media was dominated by Print Media (remember the role of Indian Express in propping up VP Singh and bringing down Rajiv Gandhi) whereas now media is much more “in-your-face” and not restricted to the educated elite with numerous 24-hour news channels. Perhaps BJP is yet to come to terms with the “new” media.

    That all political parties have, on several occasions, ganged up and have treated BJP as untouchable is unfortunate indeed. I don’t think they are any more “communal” or any less “secular” than anyone else but this is politics and no one will spare a chance to malign an opponent. Further, as you yourself pointed out elsewhere on this blog, if BJP had got 170+ seats, they would not have remained “communal” anymore.

    And the BJP has a source of inspiration within its fold – Modi. Despite relentless “communal-bashing”, if Modi can shut his detractors up (or at least make their rants meaningless) by his performance, so can the rest of BJP. Jaitely and Sushma Swaraj also are very media savvy and the three together should be given this responsibility.

  12. Desh says

    I believe in the end, to be above the normal fray and be successful on a long term basis, every politician has to move to becoming a “Statesman”.. which is a matter of perception of course… but its also about how the politician engages with people and creates his/her image.

    Nehru was known as a statesman, Indira Gandhi was another, Vajpayee was also in recent times, and now Dr. Singh. Even Sonia Gandhi is cultivating that image.

    Part of the persona of a statesman is how best he can appeal to the higher consciousness or abilities and virtues of people.. both in action and in speech. That has been missing in Advani and Modi as yet. Modi comes closest to that… but he has some way to go before he can be there.

    Among the media savvy in BJP, I agree that Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley are great. I would even engage Arun Shourie. I still remember how well he aroused the public during Bofors time and also during the sentencing of Satwant Singh (who was hanged without adequate evidence) in the 1980s using some very biting articles and the call for Delhi-ites to “Honk” for Satwant Singh’s release.

    We need people like these to take on the mantle of Statesmen and women in BJP…

    In Congress, I would like to see more of Sandeep Dixits and the like coming up. Rahul Gandhi looks good, but for me he is an “iffy” because of his name. I want a democracy and not a sycophancy as our political structure.

  13. Najeeb says

    It seems you all have missed one really big point, which is, as articulated by Khushwant Singh:

    “Every voter seemed to have sensed that this election would determine whether India would remain a secular democracy as envisaged by Gandhi and Nehru or become a Hindu rashtra as dreamt of by Vir Savarkar and Golwalkar. The UPA stood for the Gandhi-Nehru model; the BJP and its allies for a Hindu rashtra with a secular facade. “

  14. Desh says

    Well.. its a nice spin to the intentions of Gandhi/Nehru and Savarkar/Gowalkar and todays bunch of leaders – specially coming from a Sikh who lived in Delhi in 1984. Meaning of Communal and secularism has undergone a lot of change it seems.. depending on who the target is and who the killer is (in Nandigram, for eg, Communists went around killing Muslims.. but that was kosher?).

    So, actual facts and dispassionate review would probably say something totally different.. if one were honest. Same holds for the current crop of leaders in both the camps.

    Par… phir, dil ke behlane ko Ghalib.. oops Khushwant… yeh khayal accha hai.. 🙂

  15. Najeeb says

    It seems you all have missed one really big point, which is, as articulated by Khushwant Singh:

    “Every voter seemed to have sensed that this election would determine whether India would remain a secular democracy as envisaged by Gandhi and Nehru or become a Hindu rashtra as dreamt of by Vir Savarkar and Golwalkar. The UPA stood for the Gandhi-Nehru model; the BJP and its allies for a Hindu rashtra with a secular facade. “

  16. Najeeb says

    I am not sure who is spinning what! but go around and ask and you will get almost the same answer from the general public.

    It is undeniable that most of the bloggers, pundits were wrong in their predictions on the outcome of the elections. And I sense that their analysis on the outcome is also equally wrong.

  17. Desh says

    Ask about what? Who killed whom? Or Whom should you kill, and how many… before you become “Communal”? What’s the killing number where you remain “secular”? Or is it that killing a certain set of people is qualification for Communalism and for killing the rest its good to be qualified as Secularism?

    The cluelessness and the hypocrisy of our educated class is mind-numbing!

    Let’s not ascribe unnecessary and meaningless “Motives” to people. They voted for someone they thought worked well for them. And thank God for that! Thank God, they made a CLEAR choice one way or the other.

    Moreover, if your or Khushwant Singh’s analysis was indeed correct, then the oh-so-Secular Communists would NOT have been routed in both Bengal and Kerala. Enough said.

  18. Desh says

    Well.. its a nice spin to the intentions of Gandhi/Nehru and Savarkar/Gowalkar and todays bunch of leaders – specially coming from a Sikh who lived in Delhi in 1984. Meaning of Communal and secularism has undergone a lot of change it seems.. depending on who the target is and who the killer is (in Nandigram, for eg, Communists went around killing Muslims.. but that was kosher?).

    So, actual facts and dispassionate review would probably say something totally different.. if one were honest. Same holds for the current crop of leaders in both the camps.

    Par… phir, dil ke behlane ko Ghalib.. oops Khushwant… yeh khayal accha hai.. 🙂

  19. Najeeb says

    I am not sure who is spinning what! but go around and ask and you will get almost the same answer from the general public.

    It is undeniable that most of the bloggers, pundits were wrong in their predictions on the outcome of the elections. And I sense that their analysis on the outcome is also equally wrong.

  20. Najeeb says

    Ask why they voted for whom they voted. I thought I mentioned that in the earlier comment?

    “They voted for someone they thought worked well for them” Yes, that is correct. Among their thooughts, one was that they wanted to keep people like Modi, Advani, Togadia et al out. Even NDA chairman Sharad Yadav admitted that.

    how do you know that it is not you who is ‘ascribing unnecessary and meaningless “Motives” to people.’ ?

    Why do you insist that what you and your cronies saying is the truth and the only truth and not others. Even NDA people realises it, as exemplified by Sharad Yadav.

    Why left gained 19 seats in Kerala in the last election is because of anti-incumbacny factor. Now it is their turn to loose, that is all. Do you think the same pattern will reman unchanged in the coming elections? And understand that the difference in the total votes between left and congree is about 2 lakhs only.

    And in Kerala, the general trend in all parliament election is to vote for Congress. After emergency, Kerala was among the few states that voted for Congress

  21. Desh says

    Ask about what? Who killed whom? Or Whom should you kill, and how many… before you become “Communal”? What’s the killing number where you remain “secular”? Or is it that killing a certain set of people is qualification for Communalism and for killing the rest its good to be qualified as Secularism?

    The cluelessness and the hypocrisy of our educated class is mind-numbing!

    Let’s not ascribe unnecessary and meaningless “Motives” to people. They voted for someone they thought worked well for them. And thank God for that! Thank God, they made a CLEAR choice one way or the other.

    Moreover, if your or Khushwant Singh’s analysis was indeed correct, then the oh-so-Secular Communists would NOT have been routed in both Bengal and Kerala. Enough said.

  22. Najeeb says

    Rather than asking quesions like who must kill how many and who and then call them what, you need to shift your focus to meaning full questions like the ones below, then our country will progress. Otherwise, we will have universitites teaching vastuhara, astrology and will always waste time arguing what temple, what masjid and what church should be demolished. (Remember, the questions are related to the state where your favourit PM nominee, named Nendra Modi rules)

    1 What efforts have you made towards opportunities for education and livelihood generation in the rural areas of Gandhinagar constituency?

    2 Have you used your funds under the MPLAD scheme to benefit the deprived and underprivileged in your constituency?

    3 What has the BJP done to make available affordable housing to the citizens of Gandhinagar constituency in the last two decades?

    4 Several lakh depositors lost their savings in the cooperative bank scams of 2003. At least three BJP candidates who contested the election this year were involved in the scams. What have you done for the depositors?

    5 How would you ensure that particular communities are not victimised with the anti-terror laws that you are proposing?

    6 Did the money accepted by your party’s then president Bangaru Laxman come from a Swiss bank account, or was it swadeshi black money?

    7 Some 35,000 families live in Ramapir No Tekro, where there are 10 toilets each for men and women, which open at 8 am and close at 6 pm. But as they are ragpickers, they go to work at 4 am. Are they, and some nine lakh similar citizens in your constituency, who lack drinking water, roads and social security, partners in your Vibrant Gujarat?

    No, Mr Advani, I am not daunted by you. I may have lost this election, but I will continue to work for the disadvantaged and dispossessed, and to ensure that their voice shall be silenced no more.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/fu

    Bye for now

  23. Najeeb says

    Ask why they voted for whom they voted. I thought I mentioned that in the earlier comment?

    “They voted for someone they thought worked well for them” Yes, that is correct. Among their thooughts, one was that they wanted to keep people like Modi, Advani, Togadia et al out. Even NDA chairman Sharad Yadav admitted that.

    how do you know that it is not you who is ‘ascribing unnecessary and meaningless “Motives” to people.’ ?

    Why do you insist that what you and your cronies saying is the truth and the only truth and not others. Even NDA people realises it, as exemplified by Sharad Yadav.

    Why left gained 19 seats in Kerala in the last election is because of anti-incumbacny factor. Now it is their turn to loose, that is all. Do you think the same pattern will reman unchanged in the coming elections? And understand that the difference in the total votes between left and congree is about 2 lakhs only.

    And in Kerala, the general trend in all parliament election is to vote for Congress. After emergency, Kerala was among the few states that voted for Congress

  24. Najeeb says

    Rather than asking quesions like who must kill how many and who and then call them what, you need to shift your focus to meaning full questions like the ones below, then our country will progress. Otherwise, we will have universitites teaching vastuhara, astrology and will always waste time arguing what temple, what masjid and what church should be demolished. (Remember, the questions are related to the state where your favourit PM nominee, named Nendra Modi rules)

    1 What efforts have you made towards opportunities for education and livelihood generation in the rural areas of Gandhinagar constituency?

    2 Have you used your funds under the MPLAD scheme to benefit the deprived and underprivileged in your constituency?

    3 What has the BJP done to make available affordable housing to the citizens of Gandhinagar constituency in the last two decades?

    4 Several lakh depositors lost their savings in the cooperative bank scams of 2003. At least three BJP candidates who contested the election this year were involved in the scams. What have you done for the depositors?

    5 How would you ensure that particular communities are not victimised with the anti-terror laws that you are proposing?

    6 Did the money accepted by your party’s then president Bangaru Laxman come from a Swiss bank account, or was it swadeshi black money?

    7 Some 35,000 families live in Ramapir No Tekro, where there are 10 toilets each for men and women, which open at 8 am and close at 6 pm. But as they are ragpickers, they go to work at 4 am. Are they, and some nine lakh similar citizens in your constituency, who lack drinking water, roads and social security, partners in your Vibrant Gujarat?

    No, Mr Advani, I am not daunted by you. I may have lost this election, but I will continue to work for the disadvantaged and dispossessed, and to ensure that their voice shall be silenced no more.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20090525&fname=AElection+Extra&sid=20

    Bye for now

  25. Desh says

    This time left lost twice more seats than BJP lost. It is interesting that you have the argument of “anti-incumbency” for Left’s loss .. but ‘communalism” for BJP’s loss.

    I find it rather sad that all the facts and history is brushed aside while Secularism of our country is ONLY and ONLY defined with respect to ONE or two communities. The rest of the communities can go to hell.

    Btw, last I read Advani won his seat and Modi has not lost any election he has fought as a candidate. So, where is the case of people “rejecting” them?

    The fact is that collectively, BJP was not able to give the kind of alternative to Congress as it should have. Nevertheless, you cannot take away the fact that it was the Second highest voted party.

    I am just stating facts here – you are interpreting results from the lens of Khushwant Singh and your prejudices.

  26. Desh says

    What is wrong with teaching Vastushastra and astrology? They are a discipline that are taught in many Western Universities as a subject of learning. You may have your own belief but that does NOT make these areas of learning as any less worthy than others?

    The problem with most people in India who feign Secularism and Progressive behavior is that they are prejudiced to see the world only in a certain way.. and impose that on others.

    When MM Joshi wanted to bring these subjects in, he was NOT imposing these on people, just that these need more research and should be available to those who want to study them.

    If Ghalib’s literature can be a worthy subject of learning – scientific or not – then I don’t understand why people are so stuck with Astrology as a subject of learning.

    Or is it that the “Leftists” in the country will decide WHO should study WHAT and Who should believe what???

    About the indicators of progress, look at Gujarat in the complete Indian context… bring West Bengal into the mix… or other states and then go and check.

  27. Desh says

    This time left lost twice more seats than BJP lost. It is interesting that you have the argument of “anti-incumbency” for Left’s loss .. but ‘communalism” for BJP’s loss.

    I find it rather sad that all the facts and history is brushed aside while Secularism of our country is ONLY and ONLY defined with respect to ONE or two communities. The rest of the communities can go to hell.

    Btw, last I read Advani won his seat and Modi has not lost any election he has fought as a candidate. So, where is the case of people “rejecting” them?

    The fact is that collectively, BJP was not able to give the kind of alternative to Congress as it should have. Nevertheless, you cannot take away the fact that it was the Second highest voted party.

    I am just stating facts here – you are interpreting results from the lens of Khushwant Singh and your prejudices.

  28. Desh says

    What is wrong with teaching Vastushastra and astrology? They are a discipline that are taught in many Western Universities as a subject of learning. You may have your own belief but that does NOT make these areas of learning as any less worthy than others?

    The problem with most people in India who feign Secularism and Progressive behavior is that they are prejudiced to see the world only in a certain way.. and impose that on others.

    When MM Joshi wanted to bring these subjects in, he was NOT imposing these on people, just that these need more research and should be available to those who want to study them.

    If Ghalib’s literature can be a worthy subject of learning – scientific or not – then I don’t understand why people are so stuck with Astrology as a subject of learning.

    Or is it that the “Leftists” in the country will decide WHO should study WHAT and Who should believe what???

    About the indicators of progress, look at Gujarat in the complete Indian context… bring West Bengal into the mix… or other states and then go and check.

  29. Najeeb says

    “This time left lost twice more seats than BJP lost.”

    The fact is that while there is a difference of just more than two hundred thosand votes between 2004 and last elections for left, BJP’s loss is much more, See the percentage of vote, in the order of 2009, 2004

    Andhra – 3.8, 8.4
    Bengal – 6.1, 8.1
    Bihar – 13.9, 14.6
    Tamil Nadu – 2.3, 5.1
    Orissa – 16.9, 19.3
    Jharkand – 27.5, 33
    Chattisgarh – 45, 47.8

    Furthermore, in states like Bengal, Bihar, Assam, Jharkand where BJP managed to secure more seats now than in 2004, their percentage has reduced.

    “It is interesting that you have the argument of “anti-incumbency” for Left’s loss .. but ‘communalism” for BJP’s loss.”

    You yourself alluded the same communal factor of Advani et al when you said Advani cant get rid of the image of ‘hawk’. Hawk in what sense, what way? Only in the communal way. Nothing else, Khushwant Singh stated it with more clarity, that is all.

    “About the indicators of progress, look at Gujarat in the complete Indian context… “

    It does not work in that way. Are you saying that he only needs to initiate the work to construct more toilets only after every constituency in India has enough toilets? (If this is not what you meant, then what did you mean by complete Indian context? ) What kind of arguement is that? What kind of leadership is that?

  30. Najeeb says

    “This time left lost twice more seats than BJP lost.”

    The fact is that while there is a difference of just more than two hundred thosand votes between 2004 and last elections for left, BJP’s loss is much more, See the percentage of vote, in the order of 2009, 2004

    Andhra – 3.8, 8.4
    Bengal – 6.1, 8.1
    Bihar – 13.9, 14.6
    Tamil Nadu – 2.3, 5.1
    Orissa – 16.9, 19.3
    Jharkand – 27.5, 33
    Chattisgarh – 45, 47.8

    Furthermore, in states like Bengal, Bihar, Assam, Jharkand where BJP managed to secure more seats now than in 2004, their percentage has reduced.

    “It is interesting that you have the argument of “anti-incumbency” for Left’s loss .. but ‘communalism” for BJP’s loss.”

    You yourself alluded the same communal factor of Advani et al when you said Advani cant get rid of the image of ‘hawk’. Hawk in what sense, what way? Only in the communal way. Nothing else, Khushwant Singh stated it with more clarity, that is all.

    “About the indicators of progress, look at Gujarat in the complete Indian context… ”

    It does not work in that way. Are you saying that he only needs to initiate the work to construct more toilets only after every constituency in India has enough toilets? (If this is not what you meant, then what did you mean by complete Indian context? ) What kind of arguement is that? What kind of leadership is that?

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