An Indian Civilizational Perspective

Shahrukh Khan’s Comment on Mohammad and Al Taqiyyah

Shahrukh Khan is in trouble. Because the Muslims believe that he said something insulting about the Prophet. He was asked by a magazine “According to you who is the most impressive figure in history?” He replied “There are lots of them, some negative ones like Hitler, Napoleon, Winston Churchill and if I can call it history, then Prophet Mohammed and from recent time Nelson Mandela.” “And there are nice ones like Gandhiji and Mother Teresa.”

Now, Muslims say that he clubbed Mohammad along with Hitler, Napolean and Churchill. Shahrukh Khan replied back to Mid-day on this:[1]

“Obviously, I think there is no figure in history more important than Prophet Mohammed. Also, being a Muslim and standing up for the tenets of Islam is my most important agenda… and if they have seen my interviews, etc on TV about Islam, then the people who are objecting, should realise that what has appeared is a writing error not a thought or view that I believe in. Prophet Mohammed is the most important positive figure in Islam… and anyone who questions my view on that, is doing it just to create a controversy.”

Shahrukh had sometime back started asserting his Muslim identity since past few years and after 26/11, he made a grand statement about Islam and expressed his anger against the attacks.[2]
Rajdeep: You mentioned in the starting that you are liberal, you are Muslim. What has been interesting, your Indian identity or your Muslim identity? You are a proud Indian Muslim, now when you hear terrorists who speak on the name of the religion, speak on the name of Islam, claim that through some form of terrorism they’ll actually reach jannat(heaven). What do you have to say those?

Shah Rukh: Let me clarify, I have read the holy Quran. It states that if you heal one man, you heal the whole mankind, and if you hurt one man, you hurt the whole mankind. Nowhere in the Quran does it say that jihad will lead you to jannat (paradise). As a matter of fact, the book says that in a war, you can not kill any woman, you can not kill any child and you can not kill any animal, or destroy any crops. Jihad was supposed to be propagated by the Prophet himself but unfortunately now two versions of Islam exist. There is an Islam from Allah and – I am not being anti – very unfortunately, there is an Islam from the Mullahs. I appeal to all of them to please give the youngsters, the right reading of the Quran.

Now, the major thrust of his argument is the statement of the healing and killing a person extrapolates to the entire mankind. But is that really true?

Here are a few verses to look at specifically, and you can find a more detailed list of verses by Suras that exhort the “believers” to not only subjugate the unbelievers but actually kill them mercilessly for the blessings of Allah and as the righteous way of living.[5]

Also read:  Does Religion Cause Harm? Yes, say the Brits!

002.191
YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
SHAKIR: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

002.192
YUSUFALI: But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

002.193
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

================

Update:
To completely understand the meaning of the word “oppressor”, one has to look at the last sentence of Verse 191 above.. which gives out the most significant characteristic of an oppressor – “disbeliever”. Which essentially means one who does not believe in the Islamic way of things. There is another verse, which actually became the bed rock of Jizya – the tax on non-believers. If there was any confusion about whom the earlier verses exhort a believer to fight, then this verse adequately and unequivocally clears the confusion up. Fight against those who (i) do not believe in Allah, (ii) Do not believe in last Day, and (iii) do not forbid what Mohammad forbid. Not going along these three things is enough to make you a fair target for killing.

It would be interesting to study a scenario where Buddha was living in the village next to Mohammad’s and just as He did in his lifetime, completely negated the existence of a God… and gave his “middle path” instead… and just as He did in his lifetime, sent his followers to evangelize his teachings to Mohammad’s village. Would that have been “Oppression”? Would that have been “crime” enough for Mohammad to order his followers to kill.. actually slay Buddha? The verses of Quran, at least point to that possibility… if they are analyzed in any detail, sans the spin that many “moderates” apply … bound as they are to their duty of Al Taqqiya!

Also read:  China: You need Legal Permission to Reincarnate!

Now, read the verse that the features of the person whom the believers are exhorted to fight….

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

================

Of course, many will say this is “hate-mongering”, but all I am doing is CITING the Quran. Mind you, I am not giving an opinion as yet. Just citing the scripture for people to think on their own. A scripture that Shahrukh Khan claims works for peace of mankind. He

He has made an assertion which is a “Sky is Blue” kind of grand statement. I would like to understand the veracity of the statement in light of these verses. That’s all.

Al Taqiyya: The Holy Deception

The Taqiyah doctrine is based on the following verse from Qur’an 3:28:

“Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather then believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them”.

Sunni commentator Ibn Kathir explained that “believers that fear for their safety from the unbelievers… are allowed to show friendship to the unbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly”.

What does this mean?[3] It basically means that when there is a “danger” to Islam, the believers can show goodness and friendship for unbelievers – at least outwardly. It also translates into the obfuscation that goes on by the moderates when they keep on making the grand “Sky is Blue” kind of statements that Shahrukh made.

The real thing is to of course ask these “moderates” to explain themselves in light of the scriptural edicts, which betray a totally different message. As this article argues,[4] is a “moderate” Muslim one who is a nice human being? How does one define a “moderate” Muslim? For the very definition of a Muslim is that one who lives by the way Mohammad lived and acts like he did… basically replicate him. But given the verses in Quran and injunctions in Hadiths, the people whom we call terrorists seem to be living those teachings the most closely! Who else is treating Unbelievers the way Mohammad did or asked his followers to treat.

The moderates, meanwhile, are also playing along the scriptural advise.. and doing their bit by practising Taqiyya… the great game of Holy Deception.

Reference Links:

1. SRK Receives No-Bail Prize
2. ‘No political party’s agenda can be communal’
3. Taqiyya
4. Refuting Counter-Terrorism Dhimmitude
5. Translation of Quranic Verses

Get Drishtikone Updates
in your inbox

Subscribe to Drishtikone updates and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox.

117 Comments
  1. Tom Halstead says

    Looking at an overland trip starting in Durban, SA http://www.hughes.info travelling via Mosimbique and into Tanzania. would like to stay costal throughout Mosimbique as diving will be on the ‘itinery’.

  2. Nicola Mandlik says

    So I think I may be building a desktop computer in mid-January, depending how our finances look. It’s going to be mid-high range for gaming, with a budget of about $800 (I have a case and an LCD already). It needs to run Vista and Linux, and be compatible with both (I’m thinking Arch). I’ve

  3. Dan-Mihai says

    hi everyone,i am a chinese girl teaching english in China now. my bf is from the US, since he is about to go back to the us to attend the grad.school.he wants me to find a job there. I am thinking what i can do in the US, my major is english in the collage,it is like no major at all in an english speaking country. and my bf told me his chinese teachers in the collage are all major

  4. Edward says

    A couple months back I got a Samsung NC10 Netbook. I had been on the fence for a long time, trying to decide among the an Eee PC from Asus, the MSI Wind, and the Samsung NC10. Right about the time I was going to finally do it, the ASUS Eee PC 1000HE was announced. I read a lot of reviews from folks who’d bought those netbooks and eventually settled on the NC10. The main deciding factors, in order, were:…

  5. John Drew says

    That’s how I would have done it at least:)

  6. Hannah says

    A condemned prisoner gives up his last meal in exchange for a moment with the only female warder of the prison. And what a warder! This slutty, teasing, luscious, well-endowed woman loves to look down her nose at men! Only that this time she is going to be subjected herself to the humiliation she subjects

  7. Bianca says

    Thankyou
    This blonde casting couch cutie takes a huge load right into http://www.lemmon.net her eye and loves it.

  8. Chanda says

    Thanks Guys!
    I am back to SOCIAL FASTING, after having too many boring conversations with travellers that are fishing for that “You are so intelligent” compliment from other travellers.

  9. Ilana Webborn says

    […] I’m not sure they are new because I have had a look around and blogs are mentioning them from 2005 but they are new to me and super

  10. Hye says

    Just a quick question!
    http://www.orpin-massey.info

  11. Richard Mavahalli says

    Am seeking a travel companion to travel with to uganda to visit the endagered Mountain gorillas. Am a German lady fluent in both English and German Non smoker and moderate drinker. I Love adventure, traveling, and wildlife. I would like to meet both Male and Female all over the world. All applications are welcome

  12. Anonymous says

    Religious books – be it Quran, Gita or Bible – are the most misinterpreted and misquoted books on the planet. You are not saying anything new – hundreds of people have quoted the verses that you have and hundreds others have pointed out why this is wrong… but that’s not going to stop you, is it?

    Anyway… it is true that the verses of Quran you have quoted here (and various others) have been WRONGLY used to justify violence and/or killings by some fundamentalists / terrorists. But to say that this interpretation of these verses – devoid of their context – is true Islam and that the “moderate” Muslims are not really following Allah; that the terrorists are following the true path of Mohammed is really laughable. Thankfully, except for a few idiots like yourself, people don’t think this way.

    Here are links to articles and videos about misinterpretations of Quran, of Gita and of Bible that make a mockery of your poor attempt at idiotic hatred mongering. Enjoy…

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1. 15 most common mis-interpretations of Quran

    Read the entire text here:
    http://islamzpeace.com/2008/12

    And here’s an excerpt from the concluding paragraph:

    “What many people falsely present as Islam has actually been proven to be diametrically opposed to the values and laws of Islam. The narrations and verses explained in this article are frequently misquoted by those who seek to malign Islam and spread hatred towards its followers. In doing so, they follow in the footsteps of historical tyrants who performed ethnic cleansing by painting a certain group as evil.

    Such was the method of the Nazis who slaughter millions of Jews by labelling them as Christ-killers. History repeats itself, and it is unfortunate that people have not learnt from previous atrocities.

    Today, Muslims are experiencing the same hatred, as people become more tolerant of attacks on Islam. The only cure to this problem is education. Everyone must strive to spread the truth about a misunderstood religion. Islam is not the enemy. Hatred, Intolerance and Ignorance are the enemies of humanity.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    2. Does Gita encourage violence?

    Funny enough, idiots similar to you have claimed (using a methodology similar to yours) that Gita encourages violence, promotes the killing your own relatives, and justifies murder since you’re not really killing the soul, it’s only the body and bla bla bla

    But as this article points out, this is sheer nonsense. Read here:
    http://deepak.esmartguy.com/ss

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    3. Misquoting Jesus: Scribes Who Altered Scripture and Readers Who May Never Know

    This youtube video presents a textual criticism of Biblical manuscript tampering by Bart Ehrman, Professor or Religious Studies of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The lecture illustrates for the bible what is also true for all other religious texts – that the real texts are untraceable and perhaps unknowable. The copies we have today are full of errors – both intentional and unintentional.



    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  13. Anonymous says

    Religious books – be it Quran, Gita or Bible – are the most misinterpreted and misquoted books on the planet. You are not saying anything new – hundreds of people have quoted the verses that you have and hundreds others have pointed out why this is wrong… but that’s not going to stop you, is it?

    Anyway… it is true that the verses of Quran you have quoted here (and various others) have been WRONGLY used to justify violence and/or killings by some fundamentalists / terrorists. But to say that this interpretation of these verses – devoid of their context – is true Islam and that the “moderate” Muslims are not really following Allah; that the terrorists are following the true path of Mohammed is really laughable. Thankfully, except for a few idiots like yourself, people don’t think this way.

    Here are links to articles and videos about misinterpretations of Quran, of Gita and of Bible that make a mockery of your poor attempt at idiotic hatred mongering. Enjoy…

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1. 15 most common mis-interpretations of Quran

    Read the entire text here:
    http://islamzpeace.com/2008/12/03/when-people-misquote-the-quran/

    And here’s an excerpt from the concluding paragraph:

    “What many people falsely present as Islam has actually been proven to be diametrically opposed to the values and laws of Islam. The narrations and verses explained in this article are frequently misquoted by those who seek to malign Islam and spread hatred towards its followers. In doing so, they follow in the footsteps of historical tyrants who performed ethnic cleansing by painting a certain group as evil.

    Such was the method of the Nazis who slaughter millions of Jews by labelling them as Christ-killers. History repeats itself, and it is unfortunate that people have not learnt from previous atrocities.

    Today, Muslims are experiencing the same hatred, as people become more tolerant of attacks on Islam. The only cure to this problem is education. Everyone must strive to spread the truth about a misunderstood religion. Islam is not the enemy. Hatred, Intolerance and Ignorance are the enemies of humanity.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    2. Does Gita encourage violence?

    Funny enough, idiots similar to you have claimed (using a methodology similar to yours) that Gita encourages violence, promotes the killing your own relatives, and justifies murder since you’re not really killing the soul, it’s only the body and bla bla bla

    But as this article points out, this is sheer nonsense. Read here:
    http://deepak.esmartguy.com/ss/why_gita_encourage_violence.htm

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    3. Misquoting Jesus: Scribes Who Altered Scripture and Readers Who May Never Know

    This youtube video presents a textual criticism of Biblical manuscript tampering by Bart Ehrman, Professor or Religious Studies of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The lecture illustrates for the bible what is also true for all other religious texts – that the real texts are untraceable and perhaps unknowable. The copies we have today are full of errors – both intentional and unintentional.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  14. Desh says

    First of all, I have not quoted unconfirmed and unrespected sources of translation. Even the article that you have the author considers these three resources to be the most authoritative.

    Second, the author gives the EXACT same translations of these verses as I GAVE. So, I don’t understand what your beef is?

    Now, the author gives his “kosherized” version on pretext of giving context. This is what he says:

    How many times do we see the above verse repeating the message to make it clear? These verse were revealed at a time when Muslims of Madinah were under constant attack from the Makkans. An example would be when the Makkans conducted the public crucifixion of the companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Khubaib bin Adi. These would be classified as ‘terrorist activities’ according to the modern usage of the term. So what does this verse say in this context? “Fight in the cause of God those who fight you”, “unless they (first) fight you there” – the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear: “But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” And it also makes clear the purpose for what Muslims fight: “fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God”. It is the duty of Muslims to defend humanity from oppression and persecution and to establish justice. Muslims believe that God has placed us here on earth as his deputy or viceroy, and thus, it is our duty to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, to establish peace and justice in the land. Dr. Maher Hathout writes the following on verses 2:190-194:

    These verses were applicable to a particular situation or if, hypothetically, the same situation was to be repeated… Historically, fighting back against the aggressors was prohibited during the thirteen years of the Meccan period. After the migration to Medina and the establishment of the Islamic state, Muslims were concerned with how to defend themselves against aggression from their enemies. The aforementioned verses were revealed to enable them to protect the newly formed state by fighting in self-defence against those who fought them. However, the Quran clearly prohibits aggression. The verses explain that fighting is only for self-defence. Thus, a Muslim cannot commit aggression and kill innocent men, women, children, the sick, the elderly, monks, priests, or those who do not wish to fight. A Muslim is also mandated not to destroy plant life of livestock. (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, p.49, emphasis added)

    The main thrust of this arguments are two fold:

    1. If someone hurts or fights you, fight them
    2. Fight until “there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God”.

    So, if a Muslim feels his faith is under “threat” then its fine to go ahead and fight that “oppressor”. But more importantly, the verse asks Muslims to fight under “there prevail justice and faith in Allah”. Which means until all convert to Islam, specially those who are in fight with you, keep fighting.

    Now, the context he has given is Meccan and Medinan tribes… and how the Meccans fought Mohd… and how this was for them a bad thing. Of course, this explanation is given from the context of Mohammad. What about the context of the Meccans? Mohammad’s main thrust of the revelation was anti-Meccan. He promoted breaking of the idols.. while they were pagans. What if they were ALSO following the dictates of the same verse? And that is why they killed his accomplice?

    Starting a war in “God’s name” is the most hypocritical thing. But that is what these verses promote.

    Now about Gita and Violence. I doubt you have read what I have written because you just aren’t right. My arguments are pretty similar to the ones in the link you put in your comment anyways.

    In Mahabharat, Krishna’s role is very unique. He gave his Army (supposed to be the greatest) to the offending and aggressor party… while He himself joined the ranks of those who were being subjugated.. WITH the vow that He himself will NOT pick a weapon and fight. So, if you look at it substantively, his action favored the aggressor. So, his call to Arjun should be viewed from the context of this very important fact. Throughout Gita and most of Vedic/Vedantic traditions, religion was NOT a factor. It was not that if you did not believe in God, or even my Version of God.. then you should be fought with. It was all about what is Dharmic and what is not. Dharma is more like way of life. So, if you usurped what was not yours.. that’s A-dharmic. So, you need to be punished and pay for that. Law of Karma in effect does the same. However, Krishna tried to avoid war despite the transgressions of Kauravas until the end. In his last attempt, when he was told by Duryodhan that not “one inch” will be given to Pandavas, what was justly theirs anyways…. and no quarters for any compromise was left, that’s when the war started.

    Now, greatness of Krishna’s message was that he called War and Violence an “Action”… which was no different from the any other Action. Action, he said was colorless and did not have any property of its own. Which I think is a revolutionary way of looking at things.

    In India, very importantly, religious disagreements were never a reason for oppression. That is why so many religions came up WITHOUT any harm to the new Upstart and persecutions. Buddha, for example, made claims and gave arguments that were pretty strong in those times – specifically in the state that Hinduism was at that time. Yet, He was assimilated. Same for Guru Nanak. Same for Mahavir and other Jain Tirthankars. Same for Dayananda Saraswati.

    If you don’t understand what I write, that’s fine.. but at least desist from making a fool of yourself by making outlandish claims here.

  15. Desh says

    First of all, I have not quoted unconfirmed and unrespected sources of translation. Even the article that you have the author considers these three resources to be the most authoritative.

    Second, the author gives the EXACT same translations of these verses as I GAVE. So, I don’t understand what your beef is?

    Now, the author gives his “kosherized” version on pretext of giving context. This is what he says:

    How many times do we see the above verse repeating the message to make it clear? These verse were revealed at a time when Muslims of Madinah were under constant attack from the Makkans. An example would be when the Makkans conducted the public crucifixion of the companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Khubaib bin Adi. These would be classified as ‘terrorist activities’ according to the modern usage of the term. So what does this verse say in this context? “Fight in the cause of God those who fight you”, “unless they (first) fight you there” – the context of this verse applies to those who initiate the attack against Muslims. And even after they attack, the verse makes it clear: “But if they cease, God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” And it also makes clear the purpose for what Muslims fight: “fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God”. It is the duty of Muslims to defend humanity from oppression and persecution and to establish justice. Muslims believe that God has placed us here on earth as his deputy or viceroy, and thus, it is our duty to enjoin the good and forbid the evil, to establish peace and justice in the land. Dr. Maher Hathout writes the following on verses 2:190-194:

    These verses were applicable to a particular situation or if, hypothetically, the same situation was to be repeated… Historically, fighting back against the aggressors was prohibited during the thirteen years of the Meccan period. After the migration to Medina and the establishment of the Islamic state, Muslims were concerned with how to defend themselves against aggression from their enemies. The aforementioned verses were revealed to enable them to protect the newly formed state by fighting in self-defence against those who fought them. However, the Quran clearly prohibits aggression. The verses explain that fighting is only for self-defence. Thus, a Muslim cannot commit aggression and kill innocent men, women, children, the sick, the elderly, monks, priests, or those who do not wish to fight. A Muslim is also mandated not to destroy plant life of livestock. (Hathout, Jihad vs. Terrorism; US Multimedia Vera International, 2002, p.49, emphasis added)

    The main thrust of this arguments are two fold:

    1. If someone hurts or fights you, fight them
    2. Fight until “there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God”.

    So, if a Muslim feels his faith is under “threat” then its fine to go ahead and fight that “oppressor”. But more importantly, the verse asks Muslims to fight under “there prevail justice and faith in Allah”. Which means until all convert to Islam, specially those who are in fight with you, keep fighting.

    Now, the context he has given is Meccan and Medinan tribes… and how the Meccans fought Mohd… and how this was for them a bad thing. Of course, this explanation is given from the context of Mohammad. What about the context of the Meccans? Mohammad’s main thrust of the revelation was anti-Meccan. He promoted breaking of the idols.. while they were pagans. What if they were ALSO following the dictates of the same verse? And that is why they killed his accomplice?

    Starting a war in “God’s name” is the most hypocritical thing. But that is what these verses promote.

    Now about Gita and Violence. I doubt you have read what I have written because you just aren’t right. My arguments are pretty similar to the ones in the link you put in your comment anyways.

    In Mahabharat, Krishna’s role is very unique. He gave his Army (supposed to be the greatest) to the offending and aggressor party… while He himself joined the ranks of those who were being subjugated.. WITH the vow that He himself will NOT pick a weapon and fight. So, if you look at it substantively, his action favored the aggressor. So, his call to Arjun should be viewed from the context of this very important fact. Throughout Gita and most of Vedic/Vedantic traditions, religion was NOT a factor. It was not that if you did not believe in God, or even my Version of God.. then you should be fought with. It was all about what is Dharmic and what is not. Dharma is more like way of life. So, if you usurped what was not yours.. that’s A-dharmic. So, you need to be punished and pay for that. Law of Karma in effect does the same. However, Krishna tried to avoid war despite the transgressions of Kauravas until the end. In his last attempt, when he was told by Duryodhan that not “one inch” will be given to Pandavas, what was justly theirs anyways…. and no quarters for any compromise was left, that’s when the war started.

    Now, greatness of Krishna’s message was that he called War and Violence an “Action”… which was no different from the any other Action. Action, he said was colorless and did not have any property of its own. Which I think is a revolutionary way of looking at things.

    In India, very importantly, religious disagreements were never a reason for oppression. That is why so many religions came up WITHOUT any harm to the new Upstart and persecutions. Buddha, for example, made claims and gave arguments that were pretty strong in those times – specifically in the state that Hinduism was at that time. Yet, He was assimilated. Same for Guru Nanak. Same for Mahavir and other Jain Tirthankars. Same for Dayananda Saraswati.

    If you don’t understand what I write, that’s fine.. but at least desist from making a fool of yourself by making outlandish claims here.

  16. Anonymous says

    “Starting a war in “God’s name” is the most hypocritical thing. But that is what these verses promote.”

    I am not making any outlandish claims. I am only saying that you are quoting verses out of their context and you have proved me right again. Nowhere does the Quran talks about STARTING a war in the name of God. There’s a big difference between “starting” a war and fighting back. When you interpret “fighting back against oppression” as “starting a jehad against all non-believers”, you are using the same logic that fundamentalist terrorists use to recruit youngsters across the world. This logic, irrespective of which side it is used on, is flawed; promotes hatred; and is outrageously stupid.

    About Gita, I did not say I agree with those who think Gita promotes violence. I said some people, who excel in mis-quoting religious texts, have made that stupid assertion. So again, I don’t see where I am making any outlandish claims!!

    If you do not have anything sensible to say in response to my comments, you can chose not to respond but stop making a complete idiot of yourself on your own site!

  17. Desh says

    Nice try again.. but I will not let you get away even this time. You have tried the Spray&Run strategy earlier also.. and everytime you have moved on to the next stuff when rebuffed. So let me do the honors this time as well!

    “Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”
    is how the first verse ends.. and that gives a “sneak-peak” into what Oppression ostensibly means in context of the verse. We will look at another verse to get a better understanding….

    That one should fight only when one is oppressed looks very benign on the surface.. and very moralistic. But the real crux is what does Oppression really mean? For many applying Jizya – and spitting in the mouth of the one who pays Jizya WHILE paying is UPHOLDING of the faith – as per Quranic verses. I am not sure about you.. but for many THAT is Oppression. But for a Muslim living BY the Quran that is Upholding of the faith.

    So, lets go to another verse.. to get the context of what Oppression may mean in the last verse.

    9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

    Now read this verse in context of the earlier verses cited in the post above.

    Oppression could also mean that someone whom you live alongside DO NOT believe in your faith.. or the way YOU believe in your faith. For like this verse clears the doubt – EVEN if you are a person of the Book (which includes Jews and Christians).. but do not believe in:

    – Last Day
    – or in Allah
    – or forbid what Mohammad had forbid

    Then.. FIGHT them. That is Oppression ENOUGH. Now, reading a verse at a VERY high level and making generic noises about its piety is great.. but that does not work in an intellectual discussion.

    Now, if we look at the history you will find that its been the Muslims who has MISUSED the Quranic verses.. specially the so call authorities… and not the non-Muslims.

    Imagine a world, where EVERR Religion had the SAME injunctions but DIFFERENT Gods (as we have anyways). What if EVERY religion’s fountainhead.. had copied and pasted Quranic verses in their language and APPLIED them ON muslims?? Can you even imagine the barbarism that would have been perpetrated?

    ====
    Gita and violence:
    In your first comment you said this:

    idiots similar to you have claimed (using a methodology similar to yours) that Gita encourages violence, promotes the killing your own relatives, and justifies murder since you’re not really killing the soul, it’s only the body and bla bla bla

    and then you go on:

    I did not say I agree with those who think Gita promotes violence. I said some people, who excel in mis-quoting religious texts, have made that stupid assertion.

    In the first comment, you are asserting that I (along with others) “claim” Gita encourages violence…. and in the second comment.. you suddenly shift gears and go to “some people”.

    Quite obviously you have NEVER read my comments or thoughts on Gita.. so how can you make any claims. Besides, I doubt you understand Gita’s stand on Violence or non-violence anyways.

    people have a habit of shooting off without ever having read or analysed the text.

    Anyways.. better luck next time.. read something and be a bit consistent in your stuff.

  18. Anonymous says

    I think the comment made by u is simply the few points which the critics of islam play with.according to me u should be more consious before proclaiming anything.in ur pointers to the islamic cruelty(according to u) u first wrote a whole of pages saying to muslims and non muslims to beaware of islam and indirectly u supported western act compared to islam(in the commentry of v:9 of surah women) i ask u one question related to this is-WAS USA’S ATTACK ON AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ IN THE RECENT TIME WAS ACT OF HUMANITY IN WHICH LAKHS OF LIFE OF CHILDRENS,WOMEN,OLD AND CATTLES ENDED JUST ON THE HYPOTHESIS OF OSAMA’S PRESENCE AND A BOMB PRESENCE? the answer to any common person whether it be muslim and non muslim will be NO,my non-muslim friends to say it as ONE OF THE BIGGEST ACT OF CRUELTY.according to me people like have least bit of knowledge and say a thing in the air without having a firm proof in their support.As for the people misblief of the 9/11 attack made by a muslim which highlighted the image of islam as a religion of terrorism I would personally recommend u to search the truth on ur net if u like truth,there are a number of documentry films made on this topic one among them is THE LOOSE CHANGE made by a american and he showed that it was an attack planned by whom?.Coming to ur verses of hell for the unbelievers,I would narrate to u a simple thing that if a student knows everything and he doesn’t writes in the answer sheet will he score anything? No,because he did not executed what he knew therefore he would be punished and will fail.We have to executed what we know.In almost all the religion the prophecy of Prophet Muhammad SAW is made,like in Rig Veda Book 2 Hymn 3 Mantra 2,Rig Veda Book 5 Hymn 5 Mantra 2,Rig Veda Book 7 Hymn 2 Mantra 2 etc likewise in the Bible of John Chapter 12 Verse 14-16 so if a hindu or a christian does not believe in Muhammad SAW then they are not following their scriptures keeping Quran aside.The stuff written by u simply shows ur hatred towards islam and people like u who want peace should not be of this type.U must not read the Quran superficially and start commenting out of context.

  19. Anonymous says

    “Starting a war in “God’s name” is the most hypocritical thing. But that is what these verses promote.”

    I am not making any outlandish claims. I am only saying that you are quoting verses out of their context and you have proved me right again. Nowhere does the Quran talks about STARTING a war in the name of God. There’s a big difference between “starting” a war and fighting back. When you interpret “fighting back against oppression” as “starting a jehad against all non-believers”, you are using the same logic that fundamentalist terrorists use to recruit youngsters across the world. This logic, irrespective of which side it is used on, is flawed; promotes hatred; and is outrageously stupid.

    About Gita, I did not say I agree with those who think Gita promotes violence. I said some people, who excel in mis-quoting religious texts, have made that stupid assertion. So again, I don’t see where I am making any outlandish claims!!

    If you do not have anything sensible to say in response to my comments, you can chose not to respond but stop making a complete idiot of yourself on your own site!

  20. Desh says

    Nice try again.. but I will not let you get away even this time. You have tried the Spray&Run strategy earlier also.. and everytime you have moved on to the next stuff when rebuffed. So let me do the honors this time as well!

    “Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”
    is how the first verse ends.. and that gives a “sneak-peak” into what Oppression ostensibly means in context of the verse. We will look at another verse to get a better understanding….

    That one should fight only when one is oppressed looks very benign on the surface.. and very moralistic. But the real crux is what does Oppression really mean? For many applying Jizya – and spitting in the mouth of the one who pays Jizya WHILE paying is UPHOLDING of the faith – as per Quranic verses. I am not sure about you.. but for many THAT is Oppression. But for a Muslim living BY the Quran that is Upholding of the faith.

    So, lets go to another verse.. to get the context of what Oppression may mean in the last verse.

    9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

    Now read this verse in context of the earlier verses cited in the post above.

    Oppression could also mean that someone whom you live alongside DO NOT believe in your faith.. or the way YOU believe in your faith. For like this verse clears the doubt – EVEN if you are a person of the Book (which includes Jews and Christians).. but do not believe in:

    – Last Day
    – or in Allah
    – or forbid what Mohammad had forbid

    Then.. FIGHT them. That is Oppression ENOUGH. Now, reading a verse at a VERY high level and making generic noises about its piety is great.. but that does not work in an intellectual discussion.

    Now, if we look at the history you will find that its been the Muslims who has MISUSED the Quranic verses.. specially the so call authorities… and not the non-Muslims.

    Imagine a world, where EVERR Religion had the SAME injunctions but DIFFERENT Gods (as we have anyways). What if EVERY religion’s fountainhead.. had copied and pasted Quranic verses in their language and APPLIED them ON muslims?? Can you even imagine the barbarism that would have been perpetrated?

    ====
    Gita and violence:
    In your first comment you said this:

    idiots similar to you have claimed (using a methodology similar to yours) that Gita encourages violence, promotes the killing your own relatives, and justifies murder since you’re not really killing the soul, it’s only the body and bla bla bla

    and then you go on:

    I did not say I agree with those who think Gita promotes violence. I said some people, who excel in mis-quoting religious texts, have made that stupid assertion.

    In the first comment, you are asserting that I (along with others) “claim” Gita encourages violence…. and in the second comment.. you suddenly shift gears and go to “some people”.

    Quite obviously you have NEVER read my comments or thoughts on Gita.. so how can you make any claims. Besides, I doubt you understand Gita’s stand on Violence or non-violence anyways.

    people have a habit of shooting off without ever having read or analysed the text.

    Anyways.. better luck next time.. read something and be a bit consistent in your stuff.

  21. Anonymous says

    I think the comment made by u is simply the few points which the critics of islam play with.according to me u should be more consious before proclaiming anything.in ur pointers to the islamic cruelty(according to u) u first wrote a whole of pages saying to muslims and non muslims to beaware of islam and indirectly u supported western act compared to islam(in the commentry of v:9 of surah women) i ask u one question related to this is-WAS USA’S ATTACK ON AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ IN THE RECENT TIME WAS ACT OF HUMANITY IN WHICH LAKHS OF LIFE OF CHILDRENS,WOMEN,OLD AND CATTLES ENDED JUST ON THE HYPOTHESIS OF OSAMA’S PRESENCE AND A BOMB PRESENCE? the answer to any common person whether it be muslim and non muslim will be NO,my non-muslim friends to say it as ONE OF THE BIGGEST ACT OF CRUELTY.according to me people like have least bit of knowledge and say a thing in the air without having a firm proof in their support.As for the people misblief of the 9/11 attack made by a muslim which highlighted the image of islam as a religion of terrorism I would personally recommend u to search the truth on ur net if u like truth,there are a number of documentry films made on this topic one among them is THE LOOSE CHANGE made by a american and he showed that it was an attack planned by whom?.Coming to ur verses of hell for the unbelievers,I would narrate to u a simple thing that if a student knows everything and he doesn’t writes in the answer sheet will he score anything? No,because he did not executed what he knew therefore he would be punished and will fail.We have to executed what we know.In almost all the religion the prophecy of Prophet Muhammad SAW is made,like in Rig Veda Book 2 Hymn 3 Mantra 2,Rig Veda Book 5 Hymn 5 Mantra 2,Rig Veda Book 7 Hymn 2 Mantra 2 etc likewise in the Bible of John Chapter 12 Verse 14-16 so if a hindu or a christian does not believe in Muhammad SAW then they are not following their scriptures keeping Quran aside.The stuff written by u simply shows ur hatred towards islam and people like u who want peace should not be of this type.U must not read the Quran superficially and start commenting out of context.

  22. Anonymous says

    1. Hahahahaha…. “intellectual discussion” LOL what you write here is not intellectual even in the remotest way so shut that crap.

    2. “In the first comment, you are asserting that I (along with others) “claim” Gita encourages violence…. and in the second comment.. you suddenly shift gears and go to “some people”.”

    Are you really out of your mind? I said, and you have quoted me, “idiots similar to you”… that does not include you. Two idiots can say two wrong things – it won’t be a miracle, you know? You and these idiots are similar since both of you mis-quote religious texts out of their context and make stupid assertions. Is my limited knowledge of English (as you claimed) proving too much for you? I know you are stupid… but THAT stupid…really…???? LOL

    3. “That one should fight only when one is oppressed looks very benign on the surface.. and very moralistic. But the real crux is what does Oppression really mean? For many applying Jizya – and spitting in the mouth of the one who pays Jizya WHILE paying is UPHOLDING of the faith – as per Quranic verses.”

    Exactly, so the Quran makes a “very benign” statement – go and fight oppression. Now if some idiots twist it to include the selling of coca cola as oppression, its not the fault of Quran or Allah. Likewise, if another idiot proclaims that murdering all non-believers is true Islam and the so-called “moderates” aren’t real Muslims, only the terrorists are – that is even more idiotic. So there, you have proven yourself to be even more stupid than those idiots who misuse Quran to recruit terrorists.

    4. “Oppression could also mean that someone whom you live alongside DO NOT believe in your faith.. or the way YOU believe in your faith. For like this verse clears the doubt – EVEN if you are a person of the Book (which includes Jews and Christians).. “

    Like I said, this “excessively liberal” definition of oppression is limited to idiots such as you and those terrorist organizations. You have no right to impose this definition on all Muslims.

    5. “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

    Please focus, if you can, on the first part of this sentence. Fight against “SUCH OF THOSE”. What does “such” mean; and who are “those”? Given that the context of this verse is oppression and the fight against oppression, does this not mean, “Fight against the oppressors (such) of those (irrespective of whether they belong to Islam, Christianity, Jewism or any other faith)”.

    If you had honestly interpreted this verse, without your OBVIOUS biases, you would have AT LEAST considered this to be a possibility. Now you can decide for yourself which of us is “reading a verse at a VERY high level and making generic noises”.

  23. Anonymous says

    Oh and as far as the “Spray&Run” strategy is concerned, you are the one who deleted my replies what I quoted references. You are the one who showed how open you are to “intellectual discussions”. You are the one who is so scared that my replies uncover your sham that you have to moderate the comments. You are the one who keeps contradicting himself by first, claiming all Pakistan and Islam is evil and then backtracking to say that you meant only the terrorists and then re-backtracking to say, there’s nothing to backtrack…not me! LOL

  24. Anonymous says

    1. Hahahahaha…. “intellectual discussion” LOL what you write here is not intellectual even in the remotest way so shut that crap.

    2. “In the first comment, you are asserting that I (along with others) “claim” Gita encourages violence…. and in the second comment.. you suddenly shift gears and go to “some people”.”

    Are you really out of your mind? I said, and you have quoted me, “idiots similar to you”… that does not include you. Two idiots can say two wrong things – it won’t be a miracle, you know? You and these idiots are similar since both of you mis-quote religious texts out of their context and make stupid assertions. Is my limited knowledge of English (as you claimed) proving too much for you? I know you are stupid… but THAT stupid…really…???? LOL

    3. “That one should fight only when one is oppressed looks very benign on the surface.. and very moralistic. But the real crux is what does Oppression really mean? For many applying Jizya – and spitting in the mouth of the one who pays Jizya WHILE paying is UPHOLDING of the faith – as per Quranic verses.”

    Exactly, so the Quran makes a “very benign” statement – go and fight oppression. Now if some idiots twist it to include the selling of coca cola as oppression, its not the fault of Quran or Allah. Likewise, if another idiot proclaims that murdering all non-believers is true Islam and the so-called “moderates” aren’t real Muslims, only the terrorists are – that is even more idiotic. So there, you have proven yourself to be even more stupid than those idiots who misuse Quran to recruit terrorists.

    4. “Oppression could also mean that someone whom you live alongside DO NOT believe in your faith.. or the way YOU believe in your faith. For like this verse clears the doubt – EVEN if you are a person of the Book (which includes Jews and Christians).. ”

    Like I said, this “excessively liberal” definition of oppression is limited to idiots such as you and those terrorist organizations. You have no right to impose this definition on all Muslims.

    5. “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

    Please focus, if you can, on the first part of this sentence. Fight against “SUCH OF THOSE”. What does “such” mean; and who are “those”? Given that the context of this verse is oppression and the fight against oppression, does this not mean, “Fight against the oppressors (such) of those (irrespective of whether they belong to Islam, Christianity, Jewism or any other faith)”.

    If you had honestly interpreted this verse, without your OBVIOUS biases, you would have AT LEAST considered this to be a possibility. Now you can decide for yourself which of us is “reading a verse at a VERY high level and making generic noises”.

  25. Anonymous says

    Oh and as far as the “Spray&Run” strategy is concerned, you are the one who deleted my replies what I quoted references. You are the one who showed how open you are to “intellectual discussions”. You are the one who is so scared that my replies uncover your sham that you have to moderate the comments. You are the one who keeps contradicting himself by first, claiming all Pakistan and Islam is evil and then backtracking to say that you meant only the terrorists and then re-backtracking to say, there’s nothing to backtrack…not me! LOL

  26. Desh says

    Please focus, if you can, on the first part of this sentence. Fight against “SUCH OF THOSE”. What does “such” mean; and who are “those”? Given that the context of this verse is oppression and the fight against oppression, does this not mean, “Fight against the oppressors (such) of those (irrespective of whether they belong to Islam, Christianity, Jewism or any other faith)”.

    If you had honestly interpreted this verse, without your OBVIOUS biases, you would have AT LEAST considered this to be a possibility. Now you can decide for yourself which of us is “reading a verse at a VERY high level and making generic noises”.

    So, are you trying to say that fight ONLY those oppressors that do not believe in day of judgment/believe in Allah etc? Or all the oppressors? In any case, this verse has NOTHING to do with Oppression. This verse is about Non-Believers.

    Now, it is indeed amazing that for the earlier verses that I cited, you want the entire book also related along with it to “give context”… but now suddenly, you want me now to ONLY concentrate on the FIRST part. Isn’t it a double game?

    Why don’t you read what you are saying.

    Like I said, this “excessively liberal” definition of oppression is limited to idiots such as you and those terrorist organizations. You have no right to impose this definition on all Muslims.

    No, sir, its NOT my interpretation.. but the interpretation of the Verse ITSELF. You selectively choose to read what you want.. and not the whole thing. The last line is VERY CLEAR…

    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

    The last line in context of the verse is VERY UNEQUIVOCAL! So, if someone is talking of Oppressors, why bring up “disbelievers”?? If slaying is for the Oppressors… then why is that the same for disbelievers? Or is it that Disbeliever’s PRESENCE is Oppression enough?

    I have to spend time to explain this because despite the fact I had reproduced the last line in my last comment, you JUST COULDN’t GET it! You really make me work hard. 😉

    Are you really out of your mind? I said, and you have quoted me, “idiots similar to you”… that does not include you.

    If you didn’t understand what I say in plain English, that was fine.. but the tragedy is that you don’t even understand what you yourself write! lol…. that is a tough job for anyone to handle in a debate. I have said again and again to you.. why don’t you do me a favor and get a good English tutor for yourself. learn what the basic construct of the sentences mean??

  27. Desh says

    You are the one who is so scared that my replies uncover your sham that you have to moderate the comments.

    Dil ko behlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal accha hai! If your comments – sans the spam that you put on here – were what lead me to moderate the comments then this comment would not have been published.

    To prick your balloon of ego, the reason why I had to moderate the comments was because certain spammers were able to successful dodge Captcha and spam comments with porn content. Its painful for me to moderate.. but I will have to. In any case, until you remain on topic.. i will keep publishing your comments.. you “look at Tokyo and talk of London” and your comment is pushed into spam. you know this now. don’t you?

  28. Desh says

    I know I know the world is rather interesting.. where Muslims are in a dock BECAUSE of Americans, Jews, Hindus and Everyone else. Meanwhile Americans, Jews, Hindus ALWAYS get killed BECAUSE they do it to themselves.. as they want to hurt the image of Muslims. What a masochistic and sadistic lot.. isn’t it? tch…tch.. tch…

    If only Muslims could kill themselves by blowing up in each other’s mosques.. or by fighting against another internal denomination… to HURT the image of the Jews, Americans and Hindus… so these non-believers and kafirs could know the terrible pain of the sullied image of the Muslims!

    But what to do.. world is not only made by Allah.. there are certain other Gods at work also… specially of these kafirs.. and they seem to have created their own mess.. in Allah’s creation.. isnt it? Better luck in future.

  29. Anonymous says

    1. Your answer has conveniently skipped a (possible) explanation I presented. That’s nothing new… you have done that before, so I really am not surprised. Why does the verse say “such of those” and not “all of those”? Of course, you have no answer to that. Anyway…

    2. “So, if someone is talking of Oppressors, why bring up “disbelievers”?? If slaying is for the Oppressors… then why is that the same for disbelievers? Or is it that Disbeliever’s PRESENCE is Oppression enough?”

    Why? Well, for that you need to know a little bit of history. At the time when the Quran was written, the oppressors WERE the disbelievers – not just disbelievers in Islam, rather disbelievers in any God, the Pagan tribesmen who attacked the early converts repeatedly and (by some accounts) planned several attempts at Mohammed’s life.

    Either you are ignorant about this (which is acceptable; for once in his miserable life the “know-all” can confess to not knowing something) or once again you deliberately chose to ignore facts to further stupid arguments (which is totally unacceptable).

    3. “No, sir, its NOT my interpretation.. but the interpretation of the Verse ITSELF.”

    LOL Can you re-read what you’ve written and kindly desist from asking me to get an English tutor. Your sentence makes absolutely no sense. When you say it is “the interpretation of the Verse ITSELF” what exactly is that supposed to mean? Did the verse interpret itself? Did it come to you in your dream and tell you what it meant? Hahahaha

    “Hi, I am a verse from Quran and this is how I interpret myself. Please post this on your blog and call it ‘the interpretation of the VERSE itself'” LMAO

    Anyway, for normal human beings, the verse ITSELF is not an interpretation, nor can it interpret itself – it’s just a collection of words that may be interpreted in more ways than one. The ones you call “moderate” Muslims interpret these verses the way they should be interpreted. Therefore, they do not go around killing followers of other religion in the name of Allah or Mohammed or whatever.

    On the other hand, idiots like you as well as the terrorist organizations such as Al-Queda claim that their interpretation is wrong. You and Bin Laden claim that Quran asks every good Muslim to wake up each morning and kill a disbeliever. You and Bin Laden claim that the “moderates” are not “true Muslims”. You and Bin Laden use this twisted logic to promote hatred and violence.

    Well, good luck with that! If Bin Laden succeeds, he might reward you for assisting him in spreading hatred. Perhaps you should consider renaming this site from “Drishtikone” to “Bin Laden’s Drishtikone” since your and his views and goals seem to match completely.

  30. Desh says

    Please focus, if you can, on the first part of this sentence. Fight against “SUCH OF THOSE”. What does “such” mean; and who are “those”? Given that the context of this verse is oppression and the fight against oppression, does this not mean, “Fight against the oppressors (such) of those (irrespective of whether they belong to Islam, Christianity, Jewism or any other faith)”.

    If you had honestly interpreted this verse, without your OBVIOUS biases, you would have AT LEAST considered this to be a possibility. Now you can decide for yourself which of us is “reading a verse at a VERY high level and making generic noises”.

    So, are you trying to say that fight ONLY those oppressors that do not believe in day of judgment/believe in Allah etc? Or all the oppressors? In any case, this verse has NOTHING to do with Oppression. This verse is about Non-Believers.

    Now, it is indeed amazing that for the earlier verses that I cited, you want the entire book also related along with it to “give context”… but now suddenly, you want me now to ONLY concentrate on the FIRST part. Isn’t it a double game?

    Why don’t you read what you are saying.

    Like I said, this “excessively liberal” definition of oppression is limited to idiots such as you and those terrorist organizations. You have no right to impose this definition on all Muslims.

    No, sir, its NOT my interpretation.. but the interpretation of the Verse ITSELF. You selectively choose to read what you want.. and not the whole thing. The last line is VERY CLEAR…

    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

    The last line in context of the verse is VERY UNEQUIVOCAL! So, if someone is talking of Oppressors, why bring up “disbelievers”?? If slaying is for the Oppressors… then why is that the same for disbelievers? Or is it that Disbeliever’s PRESENCE is Oppression enough?

    I have to spend time to explain this because despite the fact I had reproduced the last line in my last comment, you JUST COULDN’t GET it! You really make me work hard. 😉

    Are you really out of your mind? I said, and you have quoted me, “idiots similar to you”… that does not include you.

    If you didn’t understand what I say in plain English, that was fine.. but the tragedy is that you don’t even understand what you yourself write! lol…. that is a tough job for anyone to handle in a debate. I have said again and again to you.. why don’t you do me a favor and get a good English tutor for yourself. learn what the basic construct of the sentences mean??

  31. Desh says

    the oppressors WERE the disbelievers – not just disbelievers in Islam, rather disbelievers in any God, the Pagan tribesmen who attacked the early converts repeatedly and (by some accounts) planned several attempts at Mohammed’s life.

    is not believing in God a crime? And since when were Pagans ‘non-believers’ in “ANY” God? or is the definition of God only Allah? What about Buddha? He didn’t believe in any God. So, if he was there preaching .. should he be killed for not believing? What if he declared that Mohammad was talking nonsense.. just as he said about the priests of his Kingdom and sent his followers to preach his message to the Muslims of Medina? According to this verse.. and YOUR interpretation.. he would have been fair game!!

    And in any case disbelievers in this verse were NOT just general disbelievers.. they were disbelievers in Allah/Last Day et al, as the other verse CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY states!! So again, nice try but little substance.

    And, by the way, is there a verse which says no matter how much other religions trash your God, don’t hurt them? Or is killing/slaying the FIRST response to criticism?? Does it lend to peace?

    “Hi, I am a verse from Quran and this is how I interpret myself. Please post this on your blog and call it ‘the interpretation of the VERSE itself'”

    tch.. tch.. again the same thing..lack of English understanding.. and vocabulary…

    ok, let me explain in plain english really slowly if its helps.. you.. a-c-c-u-s-e-d… (trying to go slowly here).. me of making a liberal interpretation that the verse equated oppressors with disbelievers. I said.. are you with me? – that the last line of the verse..WAS the interpretation of what Oppressors meant. It was not me putting words there .. its the writer of that verse!!

    But again.. oh well..

    The rest of what you have written is lunatic blabbering.. so not worth commenting on..

  32. Desh says

    You are the one who is so scared that my replies uncover your sham that you have to moderate the comments.

    Dil ko behlane ko Ghalib yeh khayal accha hai! If your comments – sans the spam that you put on here – were what lead me to moderate the comments then this comment would not have been published.

    To prick your balloon of ego, the reason why I had to moderate the comments was because certain spammers were able to successful dodge Captcha and spam comments with porn content. Its painful for me to moderate.. but I will have to. In any case, until you remain on topic.. i will keep publishing your comments.. you “look at Tokyo and talk of London” and your comment is pushed into spam. you know this now. don’t you?

  33. Desh says

    I know I know the world is rather interesting.. where Muslims are in a dock BECAUSE of Americans, Jews, Hindus and Everyone else. Meanwhile Americans, Jews, Hindus ALWAYS get killed BECAUSE they do it to themselves.. as they want to hurt the image of Muslims. What a masochistic and sadistic lot.. isn’t it? tch…tch.. tch…

    If only Muslims could kill themselves by blowing up in each other’s mosques.. or by fighting against another internal denomination… to HURT the image of the Jews, Americans and Hindus… so these non-believers and kafirs could know the terrible pain of the sullied image of the Muslims!

    But what to do.. world is not only made by Allah.. there are certain other Gods at work also… specially of these kafirs.. and they seem to have created their own mess.. in Allah’s creation.. isnt it? Better luck in future.

  34. Anonymous says

    1. Your answer has conveniently skipped a (possible) explanation I presented. That’s nothing new… you have done that before, so I really am not surprised. Why does the verse say “such of those” and not “all of those”? Of course, you have no answer to that. Anyway…

    2. “So, if someone is talking of Oppressors, why bring up “disbelievers”?? If slaying is for the Oppressors… then why is that the same for disbelievers? Or is it that Disbeliever’s PRESENCE is Oppression enough?”

    Why? Well, for that you need to know a little bit of history. At the time when the Quran was written, the oppressors WERE the disbelievers – not just disbelievers in Islam, rather disbelievers in any God, the Pagan tribesmen who attacked the early converts repeatedly and (by some accounts) planned several attempts at Mohammed’s life.

    Either you are ignorant about this (which is acceptable; for once in his miserable life the “know-all” can confess to not knowing something) or once again you deliberately chose to ignore facts to further stupid arguments (which is totally unacceptable).

    3. “No, sir, its NOT my interpretation.. but the interpretation of the Verse ITSELF.”

    LOL Can you re-read what you’ve written and kindly desist from asking me to get an English tutor. Your sentence makes absolutely no sense. When you say it is “the interpretation of the Verse ITSELF” what exactly is that supposed to mean? Did the verse interpret itself? Did it come to you in your dream and tell you what it meant? Hahahaha

    “Hi, I am a verse from Quran and this is how I interpret myself. Please post this on your blog and call it ‘the interpretation of the VERSE itself'” LMAO

    Anyway, for normal human beings, the verse ITSELF is not an interpretation, nor can it interpret itself – it’s just a collection of words that may be interpreted in more ways than one. The ones you call “moderate” Muslims interpret these verses the way they should be interpreted. Therefore, they do not go around killing followers of other religion in the name of Allah or Mohammed or whatever.

    On the other hand, idiots like you as well as the terrorist organizations such as Al-Queda claim that their interpretation is wrong. You and Bin Laden claim that Quran asks every good Muslim to wake up each morning and kill a disbeliever. You and Bin Laden claim that the “moderates” are not “true Muslims”. You and Bin Laden use this twisted logic to promote hatred and violence.

    Well, good luck with that! If Bin Laden succeeds, he might reward you for assisting him in spreading hatred. Perhaps you should consider renaming this site from “Drishtikone” to “Bin Laden’s Drishtikone” since your and his views and goals seem to match completely.

  35. Desh says

    the oppressors WERE the disbelievers – not just disbelievers in Islam, rather disbelievers in any God, the Pagan tribesmen who attacked the early converts repeatedly and (by some accounts) planned several attempts at Mohammed’s life.

    is not believing in God a crime? And since when were Pagans ‘non-believers’ in “ANY” God? or is the definition of God only Allah? What about Buddha? He didn’t believe in any God. So, if he was there preaching .. should he be killed for not believing? What if he declared that Mohammad was talking nonsense.. just as he said about the priests of his Kingdom and sent his followers to preach his message to the Muslims of Medina? According to this verse.. and YOUR interpretation.. he would have been fair game!!

    And in any case disbelievers in this verse were NOT just general disbelievers.. they were disbelievers in Allah/Last Day et al, as the other verse CLEARLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY states!! So again, nice try but little substance.

    And, by the way, is there a verse which says no matter how much other religions trash your God, don’t hurt them? Or is killing/slaying the FIRST response to criticism?? Does it lend to peace?

    “Hi, I am a verse from Quran and this is how I interpret myself. Please post this on your blog and call it ‘the interpretation of the VERSE itself'”

    tch.. tch.. again the same thing..lack of English understanding.. and vocabulary…

    ok, let me explain in plain english really slowly if its helps.. you.. a-c-c-u-s-e-d… (trying to go slowly here).. me of making a liberal interpretation that the verse equated oppressors with disbelievers. I said.. are you with me? – that the last line of the verse..WAS the interpretation of what Oppressors meant. It was not me putting words there .. its the writer of that verse!!

    But again.. oh well..

    The rest of what you have written is lunatic blabbering.. so not worth commenting on..

  36. Christopher McWilliam says

    Authorities said a man faces a felony charge after allegedly spitting on a police officer’s McDonald’s breakfast sandwich. Police said a 32-year-old man was working the drive-thru window at the southwest Michigan restaurant when an unidentified officer bit into an Egg McMuffin on June 3 and immediately realized something was wrong.

  37. Alice Sookun says

    For a couple weeks now, we’ve had a MySQL http://www.bradbury.net server at work running MySQL 5.1.34 and the Percona XtraDB 1.0.3-5 plug-in. I’m testing an upgrade path for our current MySQL 5.0.xx based servers. Aside from some confusion about the initial setup (getting the built-in InnoDB to stay out of the way), things have gone very well. All of our largest and most active tables have been converted to the new Barracuda file format and I tested compression on the two…

  38. Jonathan Davies says

    I shot this set over the rainy wet weekend. What better to do on a rainy day then get dolled up in trashy lingerie, stockings and shiny red CFM heels and go at with a nice hard….ahem…sorry. Getting a little carried away with myself there. These are some really cute photos featuring red nails and

  39. Benjamin says

    Someone once said “There’s no such thing as Bi-Sexual, they’re just fucking greedy”… well I wish I was.. it’d double my chances of getting a shag… then again 2 X 0 is still no chance at all

  40. David Egan says

    In the Apache world, you might be familiar with tweaking your config file(s) and then running $ apachectl configtest to see if the config parses. We’ve been discussing this on the drizzle mailing list and talking in general about configuration handling and management. Well, it turns out that you can fake it in MySQL and Drizzle too. If you have a new configuration in /tmp/new.cnf, try this: $ mysqld –defaults-file=/tmp/new.cnf –verbose –help And it’ll run mysqld (or drizzled), parse the…

  41. David says

    For a couple weeks now, we’ve had a MySQL server at work running MySQL 5.1.34 and the Percona XtraDB 1.0.3-5 plug-in. I’m testing an upgrade path for our current MySQL 5.0.xx based servers. Aside from http://www.edwards.net some confusion about the initial setup (getting the built-in InnoDB to stay out of the way), things have gone very well. All of our largest and most active tables have been converted to the new Barracuda file format and I tested compression on the two…

  42. James says

    We’ve known for decades that health care costs are http://www.szervanszky.net bankrupting the U.S. (though many Americans mistakenly believe that the government spends more on the military). The latest New Yorker has a good article on how the money actually gets spent.

  43. Ryan Cadbury says

    I got thousands of pictures of amateur public flashing girls from this past marti gras. I also have all my other flashing

  44. Anonymous says

    Hahaha… it’s really funny to see you calling someone else a lunatic. And “lunatic blabbering” well, that could be another suitable name for this blog, good choice, I would say!

    Well, the problem with you is very simple for everyone to see. YOU have your own f***ed up interpretation of Islam and you call those who don’t agree with this f***ed up interpretation as either lunatic (like you call me) or not “true Muslims” (like you call the “moderates”).

    But that’s alright…that’s exactly what idiots do when they don’t have any logical response in (what they would like people to believe is) an “intellectual discussion”. LOL Anyway…

    No, being a Pagan is not a crime. Who said it is? The Quran talks about Pagans (of that time) as Oppressors because of a history of attacks on early Muslims by Pagan tribesmen – not merely because they were Pagans. If some idiots who know nothing about history (or deliberately choose to ignore facts) want to interpret that as all non-Muslims, that’s not a problem with Mohammed or Islam or Quran – the problem lies in their sick mind, their complete lack of understanding and their sick motives.

  45. Desh says

    Now I will let your comment be the testimony of your intellect or lack of it..

  46. Anonymous says

    Good choice, especially since your own judgement is terribly flawed.

  47. Edward says

    Hollywood celebrities, singers, writers and dignitaries tweeted, uploaded and signed petitions for the release of Myanmar opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, who turned 64 in prison Friday. Here are excerpts from birthday messages that appear on a Web site created in her honor:

  48. Lily Patel says

    Hi all,
    It still needs a bit of work, but it looks pretty sweet so far. You can’t see all the blemishes though :P. Still not decided if we’re going to be buying a new case or not, but if not, I still want something decent looking! I’ll have to cut some fan holes, and I plan

  49. Joanna Neilly says

    The Globe and Mail has posted a video of cartoonist Brian Gable creating today’s editorial cartoon. I never would have guessed that Gable was working digitally in Painter.

  50. John Vaccaro says

    …and what a interesting story! 🙂

  51. Laura Farne says

    Im thinking about going to Italy to become an Au Pair, I’ve spoken with the family and they will even pay my flight to Italy. I’ve researched the Au Pair Visa, but I have a few questions.

  52. Juliet says

    [dailymotion id=7nDq5D9NEoxll2a5n]There’s no doubt that Jasmine’s webcam video is exciting and sexy. You http://www.venkatesh.net have to check out more of this webcam babe.

  53. Mark Waseem says

    Check out this amazing blonde slut with big boobs and thick, sexy thighs ride a big black dick. i wouldn’t mind spaking that ass!

  54. James Camden says

    we have tried looking online but the info is a bit sketchy!

  55. Anonymous says

    Hahaha… it’s really funny to see you calling someone else a lunatic. And “lunatic blabbering” well, that could be another suitable name for this blog, good choice, I would say!

    Well, the problem with you is very simple for everyone to see. YOU have your own f***ed up interpretation of Islam and you call those who don’t agree with this f***ed up interpretation as either lunatic (like you call me) or not “true Muslims” (like you call the “moderates”).

    But that’s alright…that’s exactly what idiots do when they don’t have any logical response in (what they would like people to believe is) an “intellectual discussion”. LOL Anyway…

    No, being a Pagan is not a crime. Who said it is? The Quran talks about Pagans (of that time) as Oppressors because of a history of attacks on early Muslims by Pagan tribesmen – not merely because they were Pagans. If some idiots who know nothing about history (or deliberately choose to ignore facts) want to interpret that as all non-Muslims, that’s not a problem with Mohammed or Islam or Quran – the problem lies in their sick mind, their complete lack of understanding and their sick motives.

  56. Desh says

    yeah Yeah… except I come up with stuff that experts put in words later on.. just as the American experts on Pakistan did.. just as the top Pakistani Nuke scientist Dr. Hoodbhoy did.. while you were shooting crap from your ass..

    The reason why your comment did not deserve a reply was because you were – just as is your wont – continuing with lunatic blabbering.

    This blog has been bringing up analysis and commentary that has stood the test of time.. and intellectual expert commentary by top experts. While your comments and blabbering has been proved to be wrong.. DEAD WRONG time and again in the eyes of even the most ordinary commentator… the only people who go along your line of thought are Zaid Hamid and Hamid Gul… quite a company you have there. lol

  57. Desh says

    Now I will let your comment be the testimony of your intellect or lack of it..

  58. Anonymous says

    Good choice, especially since your own judgement is terribly flawed.

  59. Anonymous says

    while giving ur statements u should also look around u.u r trying to say that muslims are killers.but u can see who is killing.Ur Indian forces are killing thousands of innocent Kashmiris.America has killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afganistan.In Afganistan Talibans were protecting there their country.Is it not one’ right to fight for the freedom of his country.In Pakistan there are not real talibans.they r terrorists.u can find who is giving them the arms,explosives,etc.now what do u think that they r the friends of the muslims.Holy Quran is a Book based on reality.In India Muslims r greatly persecuted.What is this?????Why is this???In the age of Holy Prophet(SAW) the people were savage.Who showed them the right way to live?Who asked them not to kill the women and daughters?Who brought them out of darkness of brutality?Of course the Holy Prophet (SAW).When he started preaching he was greatly persecuted.He wid his family was compelled to live in a barren valley for three years and didnot let anyone to give them food.But on winning the battle of Makkah he even forgave the murderer of his daughter and uncle.Muslims after winning all their battles never touched their women and children.and u can compare the attitude of the non beleivers.Now how do u say that he didnot wanted peace.U should first look at ur own attitudes and works.

  60. Anonymous says

    Yes, your “analysis” that predicted that Taliban would take over Pakistan in two weeks and there would be nuclear mayhem in this world unless we go out now and kill all the Muslims. LMAO so much for standing the “test of time”. Stop living in the make-belief world where you are always right…hahahaha

    Coming from a lunatic who shares Bin Laden’s views, I really don’t care what you want to call me…thats completely irrelevant. No sane person, expert or not, would agree with your stupid theories and baseless conclusions.

  61. Desh says

    yeah Yeah… except I come up with stuff that experts put in words later on.. just as the American experts on Pakistan did.. just as the top Pakistani Nuke scientist Dr. Hoodbhoy did.. while you were shooting crap from your ass..

    The reason why your comment did not deserve a reply was because you were – just as is your wont – continuing with lunatic blabbering.

    This blog has been bringing up analysis and commentary that has stood the test of time.. and intellectual expert commentary by top experts. While your comments and blabbering has been proved to be wrong.. DEAD WRONG time and again in the eyes of even the most ordinary commentator… the only people who go along your line of thought are Zaid Hamid and Hamid Gul… quite a company you have there. lol

  62. Anonymous says

    while giving ur statements u should also look around u.u r trying to say that muslims are killers.but u can see who is killing.Ur Indian forces are killing thousands of innocent Kashmiris.America has killed thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afganistan.In Afganistan Talibans were protecting there their country.Is it not one’ right to fight for the freedom of his country.In Pakistan there are not real talibans.they r terrorists.u can find who is giving them the arms,explosives,etc.now what do u think that they r the friends of the muslims.Holy Quran is a Book based on reality.In India Muslims r greatly persecuted.What is this?????Why is this???In the age of Holy Prophet(SAW) the people were savage.Who showed them the right way to live?Who asked them not to kill the women and daughters?Who brought them out of darkness of brutality?Of course the Holy Prophet (SAW).When he started preaching he was greatly persecuted.He wid his family was compelled to live in a barren valley for three years and didnot let anyone to give them food.But on winning the battle of Makkah he even forgave the murderer of his daughter and uncle.Muslims after winning all their battles never touched their women and children.and u can compare the attitude of the non beleivers.Now how do u say that he didnot wanted peace.U should first look at ur own attitudes and works.

  63. Desh says

    again the same old crap? Why cant you read the papers a bit? Or do you need some lessons in that? Ever since we discussed the situation in Pak.. and the news item where the US expert suggested that Taliban takeover was imminent.. the offensive from Pak army has been unprecedented. It is quite obvious from the potency of the Pak Army’s offensive as to what the dimension of the threat was.

    Even Dr. Hoodbhoy has said that if Pak economy goes down – which is currently being propped by mere doles – the Taliban takeover is a strong possibility!

    No sane person, expert or not, would agree with your stupid theories and baseless conclusions.

    You wish!! lol.. until now, every American and SANE Pakistani expert has agreed with my analysis.. of course, you take your cues from Zaid Hamids so what can one say about you..

  64. Anonymous says

    Yes, your “analysis” that predicted that Taliban would take over Pakistan in two weeks and there would be nuclear mayhem in this world unless we go out now and kill all the Muslims. LMAO so much for standing the “test of time”. Stop living in the make-belief world where you are always right…hahahaha

    Coming from a lunatic who shares Bin Laden’s views, I really don’t care what you want to call me…thats completely irrelevant. No sane person, expert or not, would agree with your stupid theories and baseless conclusions.

  65. Desh says

    Who showed them the right way to live?Who asked them not to kill the women and daughters?Who brought them out of darkness of brutality?Of course the Holy Prophet (SAW).

    Like he did to Safiyah? Killed her family .. including her Father and Husband… and the day he killed her Husband, he spent the night with her WITHOUT marriage… “brought out of darkness” indeed.

  66. Anonymous says

    What good is a prediction if it only predicts the obvious? You cannot hide behind the stupid logic that “the offensive from Pak army has been unprecedented”. If you were really good at analyzing and predicting things, you should have predicted this too. But according to your “expert analysis”, the Taliban would just wake up one day and take over Pakistan while the Pak Army would either be sleeping or siding with them; and even if they resisted, they stood no chance against the Taliban. Well, wake up and smell the reality and stop this stupid self-praise propaganda.

    If you “predict” that that sun will rise tomorrow morning from the east, that’s no prediction. Any other “predictions” you are proud of? LOL

    “every American and SANE Pakistani expert has agreed with my analysis”

    Hahahaha… I did not know that the population of America is ONE because that’s precisely the number of people who have said what you have. Maybe your family members agreed with you too, just so you shut up and let them live with peace, but that’s about all. Of course, for you, the others don’t count because they don’t agree with you. Likewise, every Pakistani who disagrees with your analysis of Pakistan must be insane… right? hahahahaha

  67. Desh says

    again the same old crap? Why cant you read the papers a bit? Or do you need some lessons in that? Ever since we discussed the situation in Pak.. and the news item where the US expert suggested that Taliban takeover was imminent.. the offensive from Pak army has been unprecedented. It is quite obvious from the potency of the Pak Army’s offensive as to what the dimension of the threat was.

    Even Dr. Hoodbhoy has said that if Pak economy goes down – which is currently being propped by mere doles – the Taliban takeover is a strong possibility!

    No sane person, expert or not, would agree with your stupid theories and baseless conclusions.

    You wish!! lol.. until now, every American and SANE Pakistani expert has agreed with my analysis.. of course, you take your cues from Zaid Hamids so what can one say about you..

  68. Desh says

    Who showed them the right way to live?Who asked them not to kill the women and daughters?Who brought them out of darkness of brutality?Of course the Holy Prophet (SAW).

    Like he did to Safiyah? Killed her family .. including her Father and Husband… and the day he killed her Husband, he spent the night with her WITHOUT marriage… “brought out of darkness” indeed.

  69. Anonymous says

    What good is a prediction if it only predicts the obvious? You cannot hide behind the stupid logic that “the offensive from Pak army has been unprecedented”. If you were really good at analyzing and predicting things, you should have predicted this too. But according to your “expert analysis”, the Taliban would just wake up one day and take over Pakistan while the Pak Army would either be sleeping or siding with them; and even if they resisted, they stood no chance against the Taliban. Well, wake up and smell the reality and stop this stupid self-praise propaganda.

    If you “predict” that that sun will rise tomorrow morning from the east, that’s no prediction. Any other “predictions” you are proud of? LOL

    “every American and SANE Pakistani expert has agreed with my analysis”

    Hahahaha… I did not know that the population of America is ONE because that’s precisely the number of people who have said what you have. Maybe your family members agreed with you too, just so you shut up and let them live with peace, but that’s about all. Of course, for you, the others don’t count because they don’t agree with you. Likewise, every Pakistani who disagrees with your analysis of Pakistan must be insane… right? hahahahaha

  70. Desh says

    I did not know that the population of America is ONE because that’s precisely the number of people who have said what you have.

    You dont understand English.. that I know… but even Mathematics is weak?

    From Hillary’s famous statement to Obama’s statement to Petraeus’ statement to the other experts.. everyone said the exact same thing!

    Hey why don’t you get a good TV set and listen to some news for a change?

  71. Desh says

    I did not know that the population of America is ONE because that’s precisely the number of people who have said what you have.

    You dont understand English.. that I know… but even Mathematics is weak?

    From Hillary’s famous statement to Obama’s statement to Petraeus’ statement to the other experts.. everyone said the exact same thing!

    Hey why don’t you get a good TV set and listen to some news for a change?

  72. Benjamin Thornton says

    If you’re feeling insignificant and unaccomplished, head over to the Metropolitan Museum and look at a painting on http://www.hodge.net temporary display. It is a very complex oil painting with a lot of color and drama. The artist, Michelangelo, was 12 years old when he did it. More: nytimes.

  73. Alexa-Maria says

    I want http://www.norwick.net to put up the week (27.6.09 to 04.07.09 ) for sale again or else I shall loose all my money. Can put it up for daily basis also.

  74. Simon Ellis says

    I received the results of one of my tests on Wednesday, and caused a bit of a debate with my professor. It was in C++ class. One of the practical portion questions was pretty simply:Write a piece of code that will use a for loop to calculate the number of digits in a positive integer

  75. Nicola Skone says

    We are talking about ultimate battle arena here folks. BattleMILFs pits MILF against MILF. You asked for it, and we got it. Watch as these MILFs battle it out for the ultimate glory.

  76. Francesca Read says

    In case anyone doesn’t know, Audree Jaymes has resurfaced with her big tits to keep her afloat. She’s working for that nice lady Danni Ashe, showing her boobs to anyone who wants to see em. Oh and if you click the pic, be prepared to wait it’s a BIG webpage with big photos, but anything

  77. Sahaj says

    This one time… from http://www.seamer.info nelson boles on Vimeo.

  78. Victoria says

    Hi
    This thread has been moved to the Europe forum. Go to the new Which is Cheapest to visit : Greek Islands or Spain ( (http://www.travellerspoint.com… thread.
    http://www.yap.com

  79. Zheng Benton-Stace says

    My boyfriend returned from a wonderful two and a half year, round-the-world trip last year. He’s still at home, and while he is keen to settle down at home, he’s very restless. I don’t think he has found his ‘place’ in the world yet.

  80. Anonymous says

    Neither of these so-called experts have views about Islam and Pakistan even remotely similar to yours. What use is your TV set if your ears only hear and interpret things the way you want them to hear and now how they actually are… or maybe you have a TV channel of your own too, aptly named “Deshwani”, where you project images of Hillary and Obama and impose your stupid opinions on them by digitally mastering their voices… hahahaha what a moron! LOL

    Did any of these “experts” ever say that “moderate” Muslims are not true Muslims and that only the terrorists are true followers of Allah? Maybe I missed that part in Obama’s recent speech in Cairo.. or MAYBE you mistook Osama to be Obama and started jumping with joy after listening to one of his recorded speeches. LMAO

    Anyway, even if you insist on counting Hillary and Osama (oops, Obama) as two more Americans who said something remotely and tangentially related to all the crap that you have been dumping here, your support count (and America’s entire population!) goes up from ONE to THREE. I guess the other 306739138 people (till last count) are all dead or irrelevant (by the same logic as you tag comments or arguments you have no reply to as irrelevant and “not worthy of a response” since they don’t think like you). LOL

    You really should try some new tactics Desh, even if only once in a while, just for a change, because your current tactics make you sound like a buffoon every time… it is funny but also pitiful… tch tch tch. LOL

  81. Anonymous says

    Neither of these so-called experts have views about Islam and Pakistan even remotely similar to yours. What use is your TV set if your ears only hear and interpret things the way you want them to hear and now how they actually are… or maybe you have a TV channel of your own too, aptly named “Deshwani”, where you project images of Hillary and Obama and impose your stupid opinions on them by digitally mastering their voices… hahahaha what a moron! LOL

    Did any of these “experts” ever say that “moderate” Muslims are not true Muslims and that only the terrorists are true followers of Allah? Maybe I missed that part in Obama’s recent speech in Cairo.. or MAYBE you mistook Osama to be Obama and started jumping with joy after listening to one of his recorded speeches. LMAO

    Anyway, even if you insist on counting Hillary and Osama (oops, Obama) as two more Americans who said something remotely and tangentially related to all the crap that you have been dumping here, your support count (and America’s entire population!) goes up from ONE to THREE. I guess the other 306739138 people (till last count) are all dead or irrelevant (by the same logic as you tag comments or arguments you have no reply to as irrelevant and “not worthy of a response” since they don’t think like you). LOL

    You really should try some new tactics Desh, even if only once in a while, just for a change, because your current tactics make you sound like a buffoon every time… it is funny but also pitiful… tch tch tch. LOL

  82. Desh says

    Ok, now you are a schizophrenic! we were talking of who in US was talking of Taliban’s takeover of Pakistan… thats what you meant by the comment I quoted.. .right? So, now you changed it to a more grander statement of Islam and Pakistan. huh! lol

    You try yr best to obfuscate.. but I wont allow that here.. again… keep trying to spray&run.. charge&change… but I wont let you get away so easily! Try it somewhere else.

  83. Desh says

    Ok, now you are a schizophrenic! we were talking of who in US was talking of Taliban’s takeover of Pakistan… thats what you meant by the comment I quoted.. .right? So, now you changed it to a more grander statement of Islam and Pakistan. huh! lol

    You try yr best to obfuscate.. but I wont allow that here.. again… keep trying to spray&run.. charge&change… but I wont let you get away so easily! Try it somewhere else.

  84. Dominic says

    So I think I may be building a desktop computer in mid-January, depending how our finances look. It’s going to be mid-high range for gaming, with a budget of about $800 (I have a case and an LCD already). It needs to run Vista and Linux, and be compatible with both (I’m thinking Arch). I’ve

  85. Anonymous says

    Its brilliant how you accuse me of doing exactly what you’re trying to do – obfuscate – so good luck trying to prevent me from doing what you’re doing! LOL.

    Your take on “Taliban talking over Pakistan” is just one example of how your “analysis” is completely flawed and senseless…just one EXAMPLE where, by some crooked logic of your own, your “analysis” has “stood the test of time”. LOL

    And your own “claim” that “until now, every American and SANE Pakistani expert has agreed with my analysis..” what is that based on? I would be really keen to know HOW “every American and SANE Pakistani” can agree with an “analysis” (if you still insist on calling it that) which has proven to be completely wrong – unless you backtrack to say, oh I really meant “2 Jupiter weeks”.

    How can ANY SANE person even try to defend a “prediction” that was supposed to come true months ago but never did? And you’re calling me “schizophrenic”? hahahaha A SANE person would admit making a mistake ESPECIALLY when the facts are so clear but what do you do? You STILL try to defend that lousy “analysis” by saying “Pakistan Army’s response was so unprecedented, nobody could have predicted this”. tch tch tch

    Like I said earlier, what good is a prediction if it only predicts what EVERYONE already knows? And I don’t claim to be a 100% accurate “fortune teller” but from the day you posted that stupid “prediction” about Taliban taking over Pakistan in two weeks, I told you it wasn’t going to come true, didn’t I? So much for your “superior” and “intellectual” “analysis”!

    So let me try this one more time, is there any other “prediction” you are proud of where you can actually show that you made a “prediction” based on your “analysis” and it came true? Or are you gonna continue bragging about “analysis” that time and facts have shown to be totally bogus? LOL

    Ah you did review your predictions of 2008 and patted yourself for being amazingly accurate. LOL Here’s what I make of your predictions about India and Pakistan:

    1. You predicted “turmoil in Pakistan” and indeed it came true although sweeping statements like that need no “analysis”.

    2. You “wondered” if Musharraf’s life would be in danger but he turned out to be too smart for your “analysis”.

    3. Looking forward, you predict “complete Talibanization of Pakistan” and an “imminent war against India”. You “modified” the time frame for the “Talibanization of Pakistan” from “TWO WEEKS” to “TWO YEARS”. Well, even in two years or two decades, this will NOT happen.

    4. On Indian politics, and in particular Elections 2009, you predicted a “conflicting election result”…”Neither Congress nor BJP will get a complete majority.. and I see a re-election happening soon after as the coming in coalition will not survive.” From all indications so far, this is not turning out to be true either. The results have been the most comprehensive mandate to a single party ever since Rajiv Gandhi won on the Indira-wave in 1984. The Congress got more seats than even they themselves expected and the BJP is down, if not completely out.

    5. You also predicted “I see one major leader emerging in India in the medium term – Narendra Modi. I know he doesn’t even seem like a possibility but he will be a Prime Minister within the next 5 years.” I “predict” this is another of your predictions that will go wrong. Modi has proven to be a good CM post Godhra but India is totally unwilling to accept him as PM – if the election 2009 results have not convinced you of this yet, let’s wait and see what happens in the coming 5 years.

    So there, it is evident that your “analysis” and “predictions” aren’t as accurate as you make them out to be. Time for you to stop living in your self-congratulatory make-belief world. LOL

  86. Anonymous says

    Its brilliant how you accuse me of doing exactly what you’re trying to do – obfuscate – so good luck trying to prevent me from doing what you’re doing! LOL.

    Your take on “Taliban talking over Pakistan” is just one example of how your “analysis” is completely flawed and senseless…just one EXAMPLE where, by some crooked logic of your own, your “analysis” has “stood the test of time”. LOL

    And your own “claim” that “until now, every American and SANE Pakistani expert has agreed with my analysis..” what is that based on? I would be really keen to know HOW “every American and SANE Pakistani” can agree with an “analysis” (if you still insist on calling it that) which has proven to be completely wrong – unless you backtrack to say, oh I really meant “2 Jupiter weeks”.

    How can ANY SANE person even try to defend a “prediction” that was supposed to come true months ago but never did? And you’re calling me “schizophrenic”? hahahaha A SANE person would admit making a mistake ESPECIALLY when the facts are so clear but what do you do? You STILL try to defend that lousy “analysis” by saying “Pakistan Army’s response was so unprecedented, nobody could have predicted this”. tch tch tch

    Like I said earlier, what good is a prediction if it only predicts what EVERYONE already knows? And I don’t claim to be a 100% accurate “fortune teller” but from the day you posted that stupid “prediction” about Taliban taking over Pakistan in two weeks, I told you it wasn’t going to come true, didn’t I? So much for your “superior” and “intellectual” “analysis”!

    So let me try this one more time, is there any other “prediction” you are proud of where you can actually show that you made a “prediction” based on your “analysis” and it came true? Or are you gonna continue bragging about “analysis” that time and facts have shown to be totally bogus? LOL

    Ah you did review your predictions of 2008 and patted yourself for being amazingly accurate. LOL Here’s what I make of your predictions about India and Pakistan:

    1. You predicted “turmoil in Pakistan” and indeed it came true although sweeping statements like that need no “analysis”.

    2. You “wondered” if Musharraf’s life would be in danger but he turned out to be too smart for your “analysis”.

    3. Looking forward, you predict “complete Talibanization of Pakistan” and an “imminent war against India”. You “modified” the time frame for the “Talibanization of Pakistan” from “TWO WEEKS” to “TWO YEARS”. Well, even in two years or two decades, this will NOT happen.

    4. On Indian politics, and in particular Elections 2009, you predicted a “conflicting election result”…”Neither Congress nor BJP will get a complete majority.. and I see a re-election happening soon after as the coming in coalition will not survive.” From all indications so far, this is not turning out to be true either. The results have been the most comprehensive mandate to a single party ever since Rajiv Gandhi won on the Indira-wave in 1984. The Congress got more seats than even they themselves expected and the BJP is down, if not completely out.

    5. You also predicted “I see one major leader emerging in India in the medium term – Narendra Modi. I know he doesn’t even seem like a possibility but he will be a Prime Minister within the next 5 years.” I “predict” this is another of your predictions that will go wrong. Modi has proven to be a good CM post Godhra but India is totally unwilling to accept him as PM – if the election 2009 results have not convinced you of this yet, let’s wait and see what happens in the coming 5 years.

    So there, it is evident that your “analysis” and “predictions” aren’t as accurate as you make them out to be. Time for you to stop living in your self-congratulatory make-belief world. LOL

  87. Anonymous says

    oy begarat kutty madar chod shahrukh teri behen ko lul kisi kutty k becchy muslman ho k tu esi baat kr raha hai yeh mat bhoool k teri ragon main meri khoon hai…….

  88. Anonymous says

    oy begarat kutty madar chod shahrukh teri behen ko lul kisi kutty k becchy muslman ho k tu esi baat kr raha hai yeh mat bhoool k teri ragon main meri khoon hai…….

  89. Mustang says

    ur a RACIST.. if i want.. i can cite 127 citations from hindu scrpitures that talk abut killing..and murdering..and brutal punishments..
    HOW CAN U FORGET THE BURNING OF the widow?? it was a good example..
    let me not do what u are doing here
    with every verse in quran about killing..there is a verse about forgiving.. “but if they donot foght u.. but if they repent.. but if they cannot harm u…” “leave them.. and ESCORT THEM TO A SAFE PLACE”.. I WL SAY THIS AGAIN.. EVERY RELIGIOUS BOOK HAS TALKS ABOUT WAR ABOUT KILL.. EVEN THE SO CALLED GREAT BUDDHA’s .. plz do ur homework.
    but quran is the only book.. THE ONLY BOOK which has equal number of statements and next to each statements of kill.. is a statement to forgive.. whn and wherevr u can.

    Naturally whn ur in war , u want to kill the oppsosite forces soldier.. i am guessing if u dont agree with that u havent even played a shooting game.. crap that u wud piss ur pants if u were in a real war..
    so stay in ur house.. and keep writing anti islamic things…

    as far as IDIOTS WHO SAY BAD ABOUT SHARUKH..
    1. THEY DONT KNOW ENGLISH
    2. GET A LIFE.. AND READ AND LISTEN TO WHAT PPL SAY BEFORE JUDGING THEM.
    DONT FOLLOW OTHER PPLS TALK.. DO UR OWN RESEARCH.

    lastly this blog helped me find.. what exactly srk said.. and i thank u for that..
    but i suppose ur intentions were filthy.. i am a muslim.. and i have great good frinds that are not muslims.. and personally.. we all belive ppl like u are jerks
    cant help it.. there are jerks like u in our religion too..

  90. Anonymous says

    The main thrust of this arguments are two fold:

    1. If someone hurts or fights you, fight them
    2. Fight until “there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God”.
    ………………………………………………
    wow if ur not fighting what are u doing? no point in arguing with u.. whn those gys tried to teach some sense into u..

    fighting can be in terms of arguing, fits and punches, even ignoring is an abrevation of fighting.. and thn lastly killing..

    so wow.. here u go again with ur intellectuals..
    —————————-
    so basically ur saying now is if some one argues with u.. he is a terrorsit
    or .. if some one punches u.. he is a terrorist
    and yes terrorsit too have many meanings.. but ofcourse by terrorist the only meaning u know is. susider.. and one who must be killed..
    even i hate terrorist like u…
    if u had any truths and real intelligence in ur talks.. i wud have given a thought or 2 about what ur trying to prove.. but u just repeated blindly what other christianarguers mention.. and those were nicely replied by zakir naik.. i dont think i wl be even back to reply to ur comment.. cause i read the pattern above..its same

  91. Mustang says

    ur a RACIST.. if i want.. i can cite 127 citations from hindu scrpitures that talk abut killing..and murdering..and brutal punishments..
    HOW CAN U FORGET THE BURNING OF the widow?? it was a good example..
    let me not do what u are doing here
    with every verse in quran about killing..there is a verse about forgiving.. “but if they donot foght u.. but if they repent.. but if they cannot harm u…” “leave them.. and ESCORT THEM TO A SAFE PLACE”.. I WL SAY THIS AGAIN.. EVERY RELIGIOUS BOOK HAS TALKS ABOUT WAR ABOUT KILL.. EVEN THE SO CALLED GREAT BUDDHA’s .. plz do ur homework.
    but quran is the only book.. THE ONLY BOOK which has equal number of statements and next to each statements of kill.. is a statement to forgive.. whn and wherevr u can.

    Naturally whn ur in war , u want to kill the oppsosite forces soldier.. i am guessing if u dont agree with that u havent even played a shooting game.. crap that u wud piss ur pants if u were in a real war..
    so stay in ur house.. and keep writing anti islamic things…

    as far as IDIOTS WHO SAY BAD ABOUT SHARUKH..
    1. THEY DONT KNOW ENGLISH
    2. GET A LIFE.. AND READ AND LISTEN TO WHAT PPL SAY BEFORE JUDGING THEM.
    DONT FOLLOW OTHER PPLS TALK.. DO UR OWN RESEARCH.

    lastly this blog helped me find.. what exactly srk said.. and i thank u for that..
    but i suppose ur intentions were filthy.. i am a muslim.. and i have great good frinds that are not muslims.. and personally.. we all belive ppl like u are jerks
    cant help it.. there are jerks like u in our religion too..

  92. Anonymous says

    The main thrust of this arguments are two fold:

    1. If someone hurts or fights you, fight them
    2. Fight until “there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God”.
    ………………………………………………
    wow if ur not fighting what are u doing? no point in arguing with u.. whn those gys tried to teach some sense into u..

    fighting can be in terms of arguing, fits and punches, even ignoring is an abrevation of fighting.. and thn lastly killing..

    so wow.. here u go again with ur intellectuals..
    —————————-
    so basically ur saying now is if some one argues with u.. he is a terrorsit
    or .. if some one punches u.. he is a terrorist
    and yes terrorsit too have many meanings.. but ofcourse by terrorist the only meaning u know is. susider.. and one who must be killed..
    even i hate terrorist like u…
    if u had any truths and real intelligence in ur talks.. i wud have given a thought or 2 about what ur trying to prove.. but u just repeated blindly what other christianarguers mention.. and those were nicely replied by zakir naik.. i dont think i wl be even back to reply to ur comment.. cause i read the pattern above..its same

  93. Anonymous says

    You are obsessed with SRK and Muslims, it seems. Get a life and do and blog something constructive for a change. Right to self-expression with blogs does not automatically make you an intellectual. What a waste of your brain, time and education!

  94. Anonymous says

    You are obsessed with SRK and Muslims, it seems. Get a life and do and blog something constructive for a change. Right to self-expression with blogs does not automatically make you an intellectual. What a waste of your brain, time and education!

  95. Desh says

    3 out of > posts out of over 7500 posts on a blog is indeed indicative of my obsession on Shahrukh Khan. 🙂 I comment on what is happening and what affects me. You have your opinion and I have mine.

  96. Desh says

    3 out of > posts out of over 7500 posts on a blog is indeed indicative of my obsession on Shahrukh Khan. 🙂 I comment on what is happening and what affects me. You have your opinion and I have mine.

  97. Ilias says

    Hola,
    yo soy deprimida …

    [url=http://www.percentdwn.com/]Ilias[/url]

  98. Debt Consolidation says

    What about the money illegals make while here?

  99. Affiliate says

    I write a music blog for my audience research class. I’m new to blogging and I want them to be good! So any advice you guys could give me would be great

  100. CPA Network says

    How much money has passed thru your hands in a lifetime?

  101. oiitavfovede says

    [url=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u…]buy xanax cash on delivery Flush [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]buy cheap valium GONZALES [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]buy geneic viagra Chamberlain [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]cialis purchase uk refinement [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]pharmacy soma struck [/url] [url=http://www.reteaparty.com/memb…]tramadol no prescription lungs [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]buy tramadol overnight Bravekids [/url] [url=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u…]soma fedex Bullies [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]ambien fedex illustration [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]xanax pay cod bunches [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]buy prescription cialis online etowah [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]buy viagra without prescription electronic [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]no rx xanax clothes [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]online pharmacy ultram HurrahWell [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]ultram same day rayjonesmint [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]medicine ambien memiliki [/url] [url=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u…]tramadol saturday Proved [/url] [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]buying tramadol bunkleytinker [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]soma fedex camachotinker [/url] [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]valium with saturday delivery apprizing [/url]

  102. guaivtidg says

    http://srandolph.communityserv… [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]ultram by money order Cottam [/url] http://blogs.runatserver.com/m… [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]buy ambien Bombardier [/url] http://srandolph.communityserv… [url=http://srandolph.communityserv…]valium prescriptions schmoozing [/url] http://forums.quark.com/member… [url=http://forums.quark.com/member…]phentermine discount necessity [/url] http://www.reteaparty.com/memb… [url=http://www.reteaparty.com/memb…]overnight tramadol Carry [/url] http://forums.quark.com/member… [url=http://forums.quark.com/member…]non prescription viagra bookmark [/url] http://blogs.runatserver.com/m… [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]us xanax Around [/url] https://opensource.asu.edu/dis… [url=https://opensource.asu.edu/dis…]valium purchase curtis [/url] http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u… [url=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u…]lowest cost xanax glory [/url] http://blogs.runatserver.com/m… [url=http://blogs.runatserver.com/m…]cash for soma Indonesia [/url] https://opensource.asu.edu/dis… [url=https://opensource.asu.edu/dis…]xanax same day fichiers [/url] http://forums.quark.com/member… [url=http://forums.quark.com/member…]valium pay cod milieu [/url] http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u… [url=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u…]tramadol pay cod severo [/url] https://opensource.asu.edu/dis… [url=https://opensource.asu.edu/dis…]lowest cost ambien Della [/url]

  103. nike shoes says

    I recently came accross your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first
    comment. I dont know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep
    visiting this blog very often.

  104. adntatviele says

    [url=http://forums.quark.com/member…]drug ultram trhj [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/buy_…]tramadol tablet az [/url] [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]no prescription required tramadol cabbase [/url] [url=https://opensource.asu.edu/dis…]compare viagra to cialis Kellys [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/buy_…]order xanax overseas suppaveltentinker [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/orde…]cialis discount af [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/ambi…]ambien next day paratrooper [/url] [url=https://opensource.asu.edu/dis…]valium prescriptions staffmc2vicnet [/url] [url=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/u…]online pharmacy soma prompting [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/ultr…]ultram by money order Replace [/url] [url=https://opensource.asu.edu/dis…]xanax no script Letterboxes [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/viag…]buy cheapest viagra weltnerlackland [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/soma…]soma on line LOUDLYI [/url] [url=http://forums.quark.com/member…]tramadol fed ex interlocutor [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/orde…]buy viagra cheap overnight Shared [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/tram…]tramadol express enthralled [/url] [url=http://www.comicspace.com/tram…]cash for tramadol Configuration [/url] [url=http://forums.quark.com/member…]xanax prescription drug BernathHill [/url] [url=http://forums.quark.com/member…]lowest cost valium enhance [/url]

  105. CervantesTerri says

    One knows that today’s life is not very cheap, however different people require cash for various stuff and not every person earns big sums money. Thence to receive fast loan or college loan should be a proper way out.

  106. muavtiage says

    http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]overnight tramadol perpustakaan [/url] http://community.burton.com/us… [url=http://community.burton.com/us…]ultram without prescription envelope [/url] http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]ambien free shipping INTUITIVE [/url] http://ohmygov.com/members/Gre… [url=http://ohmygov.com/members/Gre…]valium dosage baking [/url] http://community.burton.com/us… [url=http://community.burton.com/us…]buy generic india viagra person [/url] http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]xanax discount HIGGS [/url] http://www.dontstayin.com/memb… [url=http://www.dontstayin.com/memb…]lowest cost soma diagendakan [/url] http://blog.bakililar.az/dolaw… [url=http://blog.bakililar.az/dolaw…]online Klonopin and fedex structured [/url] http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]phentermine free consult TigoMatic [/url]

  107. hanfaiovfy says

    http://ohmygov.com/members/Plu… [url=http://ohmygov.com/members/Plu…]generic viagra without prescription Timing [/url] http://www.naymz.com/maris_man… [url=http://www.naymz.com/maris_man…]pfizer viagra 100mg graphical [/url] http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]2mg xanax s [/url] http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]order phentermine CAREERS [/url] http://blog.bakililar.az/dolaw… [url=http://blog.bakililar.az/dolaw…]viagra price uk incoming [/url] http://community.burton.com/us… [url=http://community.burton.com/us…]no rx tramadol CONTENT [/url] http://connect.cleveland.com/u… [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]buy genaric viagra olive [/url] http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]cialis levitra sales viagra silicon [/url] http://blog.bakililar.az/dolaw… [url=http://blog.bakililar.az/dolaw…]generic viagra online heard [/url] http://www.javajigi.net/displa… [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]cheap real viagra Customer [/url]

  108. ofuyoaseevg says

    [url=http://www.humblevoice.com/dol…]soma prescriptions srrickccs [/url] [url=http://www.reteaparty.com/memb…]soma 24hour batas [/url] [url=http://ohmygov.com/members/fod…]cheap cialis no prescription modeling [/url] [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]Testosterone online no prescription MIRELESCEN [/url] [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]no prescription required tramadol smashed [/url] [url=http://www.humblevoice.com/fop…]xanax no prescriptions needed literally [/url] [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]Topamax for sale no script Edition [/url] [url=http://community.burton.com/us…]tramadol cod fedex hobby [/url] [url=http://www.maclife.com/user/lo…]tramadol with no rx remained [/url] [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]carisoprodol overnight patents [/url] [url=http://www.humblevoice.com/vup…]buying tramadol MARIA [/url] [url=http://www.humblevoice.com/led…]ultram no script beastiality [/url] [url=http://www.budokin.com/pg/prof…]tramadol perscriptions Guevara [/url] [url=http://www.naymz.com/maris_man…]soma overnight plants [/url] [url=http://www.budokin.com/pg/prof…]low price xanax spammers [/url] [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]cheap cialis perezbrooks [/url] [url=http://www.artima.com/profile/…]tramadol no script Eleanor [/url] [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]soma cod guestbook [/url] [url=http://connect.cleveland.com/u…]xanax cheap fedex MartinTinker [/url] [url=http://www.humblevoice.com/awe…]viagra uk cheap guestbook [/url] [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]ambien cheap h [/url] [url=http://www.javajigi.net/displa…]xanax bars without prescription mempublikasikan [/url] [url=http://www.humblevoice.com/val…]xanax fedex asserted [/url] [url=http://www.budokin.com/pg/prof…]soma fedex Guestlog [/url] [url=http://www.naymz.com/henry_car…]xanax perscriptions names [/url]

  109. oiitfaisvede says

    [url=http://bilscumstogdo1973.image…]order soma online Antwine [/url] [url=http://blogs.officezealot.com/…]ultram with cod NUMBER [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]tramadol with no prescription Another [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]phentermine next day outHaving [/url] [url=http://community.opennetcf.com…]prozac overnight delivery fed ex accompanying [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]discount propecia online STYLE [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]buy cod day next Doxycycline yaitu [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]soma without prescription buidlings [/url] [url=http://icitlelu1976.imagekind….]buy Amoxil from online pharmacy with saturday delivery Outlook [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]ambien money orders sensation [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]Topamax no script fedex profit [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]cheap overnight tramadol Employees [/url] [url=http://portal.commandandconque…]tramadol cod shipping mcknoche1hotmail [/url] [url=http://blogs.officezealot.com/…]carisoprodol tablet rooms [/url] [url=http://blogs.officezealot.com/…]order soma tornado [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]order prescription Accutane eyeglasses [/url] [url=http://blogs.officezealot.com/…]Topamax no dr contact Nigerian [/url] [url=http://portal.commandandconque…]ativan cheap cod garnered [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]phentermine no prescription perezRandolph [/url] [url=http://community.opennetcf.com…]tramadol with saturday delivery pouring [/url] [url=http://www.oswd.org/user/profi…]overnight tramadol cn [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]valium overnight pretzels [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]Fluoxetine overnight no script mastercard accepted torresdfas [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]2mg xanax online Rizzo [/url] [url=http://portal.commandandconque…]cheap viagra cialis Cammy [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]buy cheap phentermine minors [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]soma cod fedex Again [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]soma online cheap Mahan [/url] [url=http://portal.commandandconque…]buy Klonopin online without dr approval Canturobins [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]online pharmacies viagra de [/url] [url=http://community.opennetcf.com…]pill price phentermine portray [/url] [url=http://www.connectusers.com/co…]ambien online cheap susceptible [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]soma cheap installation [/url]

  110. tinavaioliF says

    [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]generic tramadol popup [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]pill price valium Webelos [/url] [url=http://agsquantooswi1985.image…]buy Aricept pharmacy ajukan [/url] [url=http://community.opennetcf.com…]no prescriptionsoma Cutler [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]ambien with no prescription capsule [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]cialis shipping ups ResourcesHere [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]Accutane cheap swords [/url] [url=http://www.imagekind.com/Membe…] Phemister [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]xanax free shipping THOMAS [/url] [url=http://pettags.com/forum/membe…]tramadol shipped COD jspa? [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]valium money orders Denton [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]lowest cost ultram Technical [/url] [url=http://www.imagekind.com/Membe…]buy tramadol overnight algorithm [/url] [url=http://portal.commandandconque…]no rx ultram chavis [/url] [url=http://blog.tellurideskiresort…]Online Tramadol pharmacy destruction [/url]

  111. rxerdg says

    X0rt1u jivogjvlmwit, [url=http://wnnpnorywyln.com/]wnnpnorywyln[/url], [link=http://jnwvguvafupx.com/]jnwvguvafupx[/link], http://cekaylxhistz.com/

  112. bvvhyzo says

    FWbZyf alrmwyxqeqav, [url=http://gvgelvlnekpr.com/]gvgelvlnekpr[/url], [link=http://qrqcrdcgkwjt.com/]qrqcrdcgkwjt[/link], http://hvmdpewxscag.com/

  113. dvrtta says

    ZRlnai lhqychnrjdoq, [url=http://hpybafsrfzpb.com/]hpybafsrfzpb[/url], [link=http://xzagfjpblmzu.com/]xzagfjpblmzu[/link], http://qznjzookiphx.com/

  114. Junaid Adam says

    I HATE THAT GUY!

  115. Junaid Adam says

    ZAIN

  116. Junaid Adam says

    SHAH RU POOP

  117. Junaid Adam says

Leave A Reply

Your email address will not be published.

Get Drishtikone Updates
in your inbox

Subscribe to Drishtikone updates and get interesting stuff and updates to your email inbox.