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Terrorism and Violence: How it gets fuzzied by Moralistic Spiritual nonsense

There is a discussion going on my facebook page which is interesting and insightful for me. The story I posted was of the failed terror attack at Times Square and commented as to how poverty or assimilatio have nothing to do with terrorism. It is more of an ideology and that is where the intervention needs to be. The discussion grew and it someone compared LeT with RSS, which was not acceptable to some commenters and somewhere Godse was brought up as an example of terrorist. I obviously do not agree with that characterization.

Then there was the discussion on how Violence of mind manifests as Violence in the society… and how terrorism is a reflection of society as a whole and the entire fuzziness of its defintion.

Here is my reply to that, which I wanted to share, since Facebook, is not too good with searching history of the posts on people’s walls… and you lose stuff which you might want to refer to later on. Since what I have written below sums up my thoughts on the issue of Terrorism and Violence very well… I wanted to retain this piece.

First and foremost, Violence is not an unspiritual or an unnatural phenomenon in nature or in this creation.

Second, Ahimsa that Krishna talks about is NOT “Non-violence” of Gandhi. Ahimsa of Krishna was BEST demonstrated by Sri Guru Gobind Singh in his most violent of moments, when the situation demanded it. Giving the color of Morality – any kind – to Gita or Krishna’s message is the GREATEST disservice one can do to humanity and to spiritual realm as a whole!

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Third, Terrorism is the tendency to blackmail humanity by a group to perpetrate its own dominance. To say that “My Way is better than yours”. Any violence.. irrespective of context is NOT Terrorism. By definition, when you use Terror tactics to get your way, then you indulge in Terrorism. Even the application of Jizya by Founders of Islam (and Islamic ruler in India) was Terrorism as well! You may not even indulge in violence (as in killing) and YET indulge in Terrorism! On the contrary, you may indulge in killing of hundreds of thousands of people and yet not be doing any Terrorism!

Fourth, There is NO “Best” solution for ANYTHING, ANYWHERE! To say, one should approach every thing in one way or the other, without any regard to context or situation is lunacy not spirituality.

Fifth, So if there is no “best” way for any context or moment, that which “WORKS” in any moment is what is called living in the moment.

When I haul up Gandhi and say that he deserved what he got, I am by no means being a “violent mind”. Bhishma, Drona, Karna were great people.. all learned.. and at least the first two were highly respected. In fact Bhishma was considered by Krishna to be the greatest Karma Yogi of his time. YET, there came a time, when Krishna himself suggested how he should be killed and urged Arjun to do the needful. When one loses his way sooo badly that his own Dharma becomes a hindrance to the very functioning of the society and the humanity at large, then there are decisions to be taken. Godse, was very repentant and very respectful of Gandhi (he was a Gandhian most of his life).. yet he found that there came a time when a decision HAD to be taken!

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The spiritual cowards like Sardar Patel, Rajendra Prasad etc.. could not do anything. Sarojini Naidu knew the “menace” of Gandhi and she even alluded to it when she said that lots of money has to be spent to upkeep the poverty of Gandhi! But it took a total novice to actually take action. THAT, to me was NOT Terrorism! He shot the bulets ONLY when he was sure that no one was around. Godse took amazing precautions to make sure that no one else got hurt.. that was one of the reasons why he wanted to shoot from a close range.

Just because your grandfather or your dad told you because he was told by the Congress controlled media that Godse was a “fanatic” does not make him so! One needs a better understanding of the situation.

And THAT is ONE reason why I chose to write a blog myself. I am sick and tired of nonsensical media and utterly non-thinking citizenry in India. My chosen writing style is to shock the reader.. because there is NO other way out!

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20 thoughts on “Terrorism and Violence: How it gets fuzzied by Moralistic Spiritual nonsense”

  1. Dont you agree to the point i made on fb to this post that human consists of both demon and divine, it is just the other is sleeping when the other half is manifest?although it is said that we are divine in nature , but consciousness has no quality of itself …
    In no way this dualistic nature of existence can be perceived, it is just dreaming of the perfect world we get the purpose for our life.
    Unless Advaita becomes the way of humanity this circles will go on completing themselves, although this is quite a philosophizing the issue but then a fact as i see, it is not that such acts do not disturb but the solution to the problem seems nothing other than discuss about, one can not blame any not an individual nether any system it was not alone Gandhi who got us freedom nether he was the sole reason for partition, nothing was planed by him neither the freedom movement and separate nations, just one incidence of getting thrown out of the train gave reason to his life to fight for injustice …..some churn the curd for buttermilk and some for butter and in this preference other always come as undesired byproduct …..

  2. Dont you agree to the point i made on fb to this post that human consists of both demon and divine, it is just the other is sleeping when the other half is manifest?although it is said that we are divine in nature , but consciousness has no quality of itself …
    In no way this dualistic nature of existence can be perceived, it is just dreaming of the perfect world we get the purpose for our life.
    Unless Advaita becomes the way of humanity this circles will go on completing themselves, although this is quite a philosophizing the issue but then a fact as i see, it is not that such acts do not disturb but the solution to the problem seems nothing other than discuss about, one can not blame any not an individual nether any system it was not alone Gandhi who got us freedom nether he was the sole reason for partition, nothing was planed by him neither the freedom movement and separate nations, just one incidence of getting thrown out of the train gave reason to his life to fight for injustice …..some churn the curd for buttermilk and some for butter and in this preference other always come as undesired byproduct …..

  3. Pramila – someone has told you that.. have you experienced it yourself?

    Moreover, how does that affect what you have to do? Do you think all the spiritually enlightened folks didn’t know that? DId they stop working? Did they stop doing ANYTHING? Even fighting wars?

    Just repeating spiritual nonsense is bastardizing it! It means nothing.. and it affects nothing! No matter who you are, you have to do things that need to be done!

  4. Pramila – someone has told you that.. have you experienced it yourself?

    Moreover, how does that affect what you have to do? Do you think all the spiritually enlightened folks didn’t know that? DId they stop working? Did they stop doing ANYTHING? Even fighting wars?

    Just repeating spiritual nonsense is bastardizing it! It means nothing.. and it affects nothing! No matter who you are, you have to do things that need to be done!

  5. Desh, I think Pramila is right. We are all good and bad, violent and compassante etc. When some Guru or a learned person says if such and such steps are taken peace will prevail in the world. I don’t see that happening ever. That is not to say we should not srive for peace. But it is an ongoing struggle between peace and conflicts. And that is because that happens to be our nature. Yes we will have peace but only in relative term, more peaceful now than before. Perhaps I did not understand what she is saying.

    Partition was inevitable. Gandhi cannot be blamed for that. I fear further participations and/or conflicts as regional demography changes within India.

  6. Morris – she might be right.. but it has no bearing on how we should act in any situation! Just because everyone has the manifestation of good and bad, doesn’t mean we either start loving people or start hating people or stop to do anything since everything is that “divine” anyways.. so why interfere?

    Yes, its the truth.. but to use that as the basis of action is nonsense especially if you do not experience it. If you have experienced that truth.. then you don’t need to think about it.. your actions will incorporate that automatically.

    So, personally, I am dead against bringing this kind of intellectual spirituality into deciding your daily actions. That’s PRECISELY what Krishna warned against but as idiotic as we are, we have never stopped to listen to him.. instead we go listening to some New Agey idiot who has never experienced anything like this but would continue to talk about it all the time (myself included).

  7. Desh, I think Pramila is right. We are all good and bad, violent and compassante etc. When some Guru or a learned person says if such and such steps are taken peace will prevail in the world. I don’t see that happening ever. That is not to say we should not srive for peace. But it is an ongoing struggle between peace and conflicts. And that is because that happens to be our nature. Yes we will have peace but only in relative term, more peaceful now than before. Perhaps I did not understand what she is saying.

    Partition was inevitable. Gandhi cannot be blamed for that. I fear further participations and/or conflicts as regional demography changes within India.

  8. Morris – she might be right.. but it has no bearing on how we should act in any situation! Just because everyone has the manifestation of good and bad, doesn’t mean we either start loving people or start hating people or stop to do anything since everything is that “divine” anyways.. so why interfere?

    Yes, its the truth.. but to use that as the basis of action is nonsense especially if you do not experience it. If you have experienced that truth.. then you don’t need to think about it.. your actions will incorporate that automatically.

    So, personally, I am dead against bringing this kind of intellectual spirituality into deciding your daily actions. That’s PRECISELY what Krishna warned against but as idiotic as we are, we have never stopped to listen to him.. instead we go listening to some New Agey idiot who has never experienced anything like this but would continue to talk about it all the time (myself included).

  9. Morris
    The only problem is that we have to do something, since the time of yore we have been doing war to fight the evil ,Ravan ke putle ka dahan ham aaj tak karte aa rahe hain, but the present Ravan is not with 10 heads alone, in the world of nano technology our Ravan has thousand heads with self generating tissue cells ,I guess beheading him isn’t working anymore ,is then war of dharma is old fashioned approach?
    A spiritually enlighten being in other words, a consciously aware person will deal differently to the current situations , nature run in cycles so as I guess humanity too is trapped in cycle of periods, period of Krishna to Buddha was of 2500 years,from Buddha to current year we have completed that 2500 years, ways of dharma yudha to the way of meditation a cycle of 2500years, the time has come for Buddha and his meditation to born again . it takes many generation of man to continue with seeming ness for season as big as of 2500 years and no one remain alive to see the change virtually we are always in process (Kal chakra) through us this existence live.

  10. First of all, I am not sure where you learnt your Ramayan, Pramila.. because Ravan does NOT die by hitting at his heads.. he did not die that way in Ram’s time and he does not die that way today. You have to hit at where it matters and that is the issue.

    In the name of spiritual nonsense we somehow shirk from the real issues of the world. There is a definite and solid cause of what is happening.. if we keep forgetting we will only perpetuate misery in the world.

    Buddha and his meditation NEVER died.. so there is no question of them being reborn. That meditation was there EVEN when Buddha was not born.. humanity had discovered all that thousands of years before him… he just discovered the same in his lifetime… and branded it. No more and no less.

    Buddha is still “there” if you know how to “tap” into him. He was there at every moment of the last so many years. So, it is foolish to go around “reviving” something that is already there.

    Again, I am saying, by indulging in spiritual rambling we are just shirking our responsibility of the world. Nothing more.

  11. Morris
    The only problem is that we have to do something, since the time of yore we have been doing war to fight the evil ,Ravan ke putle ka dahan ham aaj tak karte aa rahe hain, but the present Ravan is not with 10 heads alone, in the world of nano technology our Ravan has thousand heads with self generating tissue cells ,I guess beheading him isn’t working anymore ,is then war of dharma is old fashioned approach?
    A spiritually enlighten being in other words, a consciously aware person will deal differently to the current situations , nature run in cycles so as I guess humanity too is trapped in cycle of periods, period of Krishna to Buddha was of 2500 years,from Buddha to current year we have completed that 2500 years, ways of dharma yudha to the way of meditation a cycle of 2500years, the time has come for Buddha and his meditation to born again . it takes many generation of man to continue with seeming ness for season as big as of 2500 years and no one remain alive to see the change virtually we are always in process (Kal chakra) through us this existence live.

  12. First of all, I am not sure where you learnt your Ramayan, Pramila.. because Ravan does NOT die by hitting at his heads.. he did not die that way in Ram’s time and he does not die that way today. You have to hit at where it matters and that is the issue.

    In the name of spiritual nonsense we somehow shirk from the real issues of the world. There is a definite and solid cause of what is happening.. if we keep forgetting we will only perpetuate misery in the world.

    Buddha and his meditation NEVER died.. so there is no question of them being reborn. That meditation was there EVEN when Buddha was not born.. humanity had discovered all that thousands of years before him… he just discovered the same in his lifetime… and branded it. No more and no less.

    Buddha is still “there” if you know how to “tap” into him. He was there at every moment of the last so many years. So, it is foolish to go around “reviving” something that is already there.

    Again, I am saying, by indulging in spiritual rambling we are just shirking our responsibility of the world. Nothing more.

  13. Desh and Pramila,

    Desh says “personally, I am dead against bringing this kind of intellectual spirituality into deciding your daily actions.” I agree but I do not think this is intellectual sprituality. It is the real world. I read somewhere when a student asked a guru how come he is so peaceful inspite of being aware of all the turmoils. Guru closed his eyes and said in my world there is nothing but peace. He transcended his peace within into peace without. I think that is spirituality.

    I am not suggesting to use this for deciding what to do. All I am trying to say is that we must keep doing what we think is right but it will be unrealistic of us to think that Ravans will no longer be around. Ravans will continue to reappear and so will Rams. We must continue to evolve ourselves in the direction Ram, fully aware that there are going to be Ravans around. To think otherwise is to live in the fools’ paradise.

  14. Desh and Pramila,

    Desh says “personally, I am dead against bringing this kind of intellectual spirituality into deciding your daily actions.” I agree but I do not think this is intellectual sprituality. It is the real world. I read somewhere when a student asked a guru how come he is so peaceful inspite of being aware of all the turmoils. Guru closed his eyes and said in my world there is nothing but peace. He transcended his peace within into peace without. I think that is spirituality.

    I am not suggesting to use this for deciding what to do. All I am trying to say is that we must keep doing what we think is right but it will be unrealistic of us to think that Ravans will no longer be around. Ravans will continue to reappear and so will Rams. We must continue to evolve ourselves in the direction Ram, fully aware that there are going to be Ravans around. To think otherwise is to live in the fools’ paradise.

  15. This is not a movie of three hours where after all drama we are certain that hero will come kill all goons and happy ending, ofcource same way like an audience we cannot sit back and simply watch, but what a common man in majority can do in this world where few holds the major and mighty power like nuclear weapons where can peace be rooted among such frighten mass?
    We know these days hero prefer to play a role of villain , no Ram only Ravana around who is going to fight for dharma when the fight is to safe guard evil from good, it looks terrorism is our child and we take all care to protect it the whole system is diseased, corrupt , surely need some one or something from beyond to correct it , what sadgurus can give us is to live life beautifully in spite of these chaos and may be in thousands years later humanity will change living such spiritual life …with more hero’s and less villain,
    By Buddha I surly meant Buddhism which started some 2500 years back, Vedanta which holds dogma of Shiva as destroyer and creator is different from Buddha hood although both embodiment of meditation the omnipresent truth



    this is good one from Jagjit 🙂

  16. This is not a movie of three hours where after all drama we are certain that hero will come kill all goons and happy ending, ofcource same way like an audience we cannot sit back and simply watch, but what a common man in majority can do in this world where few holds the major and mighty power like nuclear weapons where can peace be rooted among such frighten mass?
    We know these days hero prefer to play a role of villain , no Ram only Ravana around who is going to fight for dharma when the fight is to safe guard evil from good, it looks terrorism is our child and we take all care to protect it the whole system is diseased, corrupt , surely need some one or something from beyond to correct it , what sadgurus can give us is to live life beautifully in spite of these chaos and may be in thousands years later humanity will change living such spiritual life …with more hero’s and less villain,
    By Buddha I surly meant Buddhism which started some 2500 years back, Vedanta which holds dogma of Shiva as destroyer and creator is different from Buddha hood although both embodiment of meditation the omnipresent truth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L3h0I7dE5s this is good one from Jagjit 🙂

  17. Pramila, I agree with what you said.
    The problem is that the ones we think who are Ravans, do not see that way. They think they are Rams and are also fighting for their dharma. I am not suggesting that we should not fight for our dharma, whatever that may be. All I am saying is that such conflicts have no ends with or without nuclear weapons. Who is Ram and who is Ravan depends upon who you ask. Of course it would be better for all of us if nuclear weapons were not involved in such conflicts. So we must work for peace. But peace is not a goal, it is a path on which we must travel.

  18. Pramila, I agree with what you said.
    The problem is that the ones we think who are Ravans, do not see that way. They think they are Rams and are also fighting for their dharma. I am not suggesting that we should not fight for our dharma, whatever that may be. All I am saying is that such conflicts have no ends with or without nuclear weapons. Who is Ram and who is Ravan depends upon who you ask. Of course it would be better for all of us if nuclear weapons were not involved in such conflicts. So we must work for peace. But peace is not a goal, it is a path on which we must travel.

  19. Right you said morris peace is path not goal it takes you to your destination like an auto navigator system in aero planes which is set before the journey the pilots of such flights thus can sit back relax in peace and enjoy the hot beverages served on flight by beautiful air hostesses 😉

  20. Right you said morris peace is path not goal it takes you to your destination like an auto navigator system in aero planes which is set before the journey the pilots of such flights thus can sit back relax in peace and enjoy the hot beverages served on flight by beautiful air hostesses 😉

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