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India’s Daughter: Voyeurism as Journalism to Shame a Nation

Days after the launch of the movie “50 Shades of Grey” the world over, where BDSM (Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism) erotic practices are shown – a movie and a story where women are depicted akin to sex slaves to a rich handsome guy, we have in India and the world, a controversy about a documentary “India’s Daughter”.  A documentary on a young girl who was brutally raped and left to die on the road along with her friend.  This documentary, which hinges on the testimony of one of the rapists – shot without his consent or knowledge – and arguments from his Defense lawyers, viewers are left without any idea of what the prosecution thinks or what the victim’s friend – himself a victim that night – thought of it?  Such is the weight and halo given to the rapist’s rather gruesome testimony with detailed graphic content of how she was raped and killed, that many this writer has interacted with, believe that rapist’s version was the correct version of the events that night!  If the derivative public view in the world – God-forbid – been that of a jury, we would have the most bizarre situation where the rapist would have simply walked out.  In fact, a halo is already being constructed around the juvenile who violated the girl with an iron rod and pulled her entrails out! (Juvenile rapist in 2012 New Delhi assault now paints and cooks at correction home) All this in the name of “Free Speech” and – if we can actually fathom it – to further “Feminism”.  Just that this liberal anachronism of those who have loved India’s Daughter flies in the face of decent even normal, human conduct.  In a detailed article in European Journal of Law and Technology, Helen Boyle (Boyle, H. ‘Rape and the Media: Victim’s Rights to Anonymity and Effects of Technology on the Standard of Rape Coverage’, European Journal of Law and Technology, Vol. 3, No. 3, 2012) has cited an interesting study:

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Karen Dill cites a study which exposed some men to scenes from the films Show Girls and 9 ½ Weeks, including a striptease and a blindfolded woman; which emphasised female degradation, availability and submission and male power, dominance and sexual gratification.[8] The men were then asked to read accounts of date rape or stranger rape. Those who were exposed to the media degradation of women were much more likely to say that in cases of date rape, she got what she wanted or that she enjoyed it [Dill, 2009].

In the modern world of unabashed erotic titillating and submissive practices, we have the Western Media patronize India on the mindset problem of its male population.  That the rapist blames the raped – which is shown in sickening detail in the movie – is somehow characterized in the media as a decidedly “Indian – and by extension, a Hindu – Problem”.  Somehow, degradation of women and high number of rapes notwithstanding in the West, accompanied with extremely low conviction rate in rape cases in Europe (7% in UK for example) vs India (24%) – this documentary has been touted as a “Gift to India“.  Thank you very much! Meanwhile, the only sane human being alive from the scene of the crime – Nirbhaya’s friend – has this to say about the movie and its claims:

“The documentary is unbalanced as the victim’s viewpoint is missing. The facts are hidden and the content is fake. Only Jyoti and I know what happened on that night and the documentary is far from truth,” says Avanindra Pandey who fought with the rapists and murderers to save his friend but was overpowered and beaten up brutally. Backing his claim, Pandey said he had never heard the name of tutor Satendra, who features in the documentary. “Moreover, how does he know which movie I wanted to watch on that night,” asks Pandey. The man who appears as the tutor of the victim in the documentary said, “Avanindra Pandey wanted to watch an action film while Jyoti wanted to watch ‘Life Of Pi’.”  The interview of the death row convict created a massive public uproar and controversy after it was made public in which he held girls more responsible than boys for rape. Pandey says, “A controversy was created unnecessarily and was sensationalised. The documentary made fun of emotions and questioned the law and order situation in our country.”

He discusses another person which the movie uses a lot is some “Tutor of Jyoti” – a friend.  Avanindra, a close friend of Jyoti, strangely does not recognize the person!  A case of fake strawman planted to mouth the script of the predetermined stereotypes the documentary maker – and her sponsors – wanted to depict in the movie?

BBC’s documentary violated Nirbhaya in her Death

Under section 1 of the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 1992, if Nirbhaya was alive, showing what the documentary did would be illegal in the UK.  Just the fact that the victim is dead is enough to violate her dignity.

In the UK, victims of rape or serious sexual assault have unequivocal anonymity and protection from media intrusion under section 1 of the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 1992. This is a statutory exception under Art 10(2) which allows for derogations on the basis of protecting the rights and freedoms of others. This means the names of victims of rape or sexual assault cannot be reported by the media.

There are reasons behind why the details of rape and the name of the victim is not shared in media.  In India, those who want to titillate the audience with the person’s details and that of the crime ridicule the concept of “Family Honor”, while in the West, they come out with more innovative arguments.  But the fact remains that victims of molestation live a life of dejection, fear and shame – even though they are not to blame for the crimes.  This is a common psychological truth.  To not heap more indignities and hardships on the victims, media treatment, commentary and the description is sought to be more restrained than in other cases.

Helena Kennedy QC, comments that the real meaning behind statements which question the rationale of protecting women in these situations, is to reiterate the fear that women make up malicious lies about rape all the time. This is despite the fact that there is no evidence to suggest that false allegations of rape are made any more frequently than in any other crime: which is around two per cent. [19] Kennedy explains that the reason why laws to protect the victim’s identity in the media were introduced in the UK was to help people come forward, as it was ‘recognised that the shame of the experience had such serious implications for women’. [20] For many women public attention over what is still a source of ‘degradation and humiliation’ for them personally, would be ‘the final straw’ [Kennedy, p4, 2005]. She notes that for some communities rape is still such a source of dishonour it could affect the safety of some women and even lead to family rejection.

Honor and dishonor seem to run common across the developed and developing world!  In cases where the victims did give consent to the sharing of their ordeal by the media, later admitted to the humiliation that they felt all over again on seeing it in public view.  That has been an important reason why right to dignity is held above freedom of press.

Nancy Ziegenmeyer volunteered to be the subject of a series about her rape and the aftermath, however after receiving media attention, she cites that the exposure was ‘dehumanising’ [Meyers, p105, 1997] EVAW cite an example where a national radio station released the name of a woman who was involved in a high profile rape case and lost. The woman suffered serious anxiety and turmoil over this and her stress was heightened by the fact that she lived in a rural area and did not want her community to know what had happened. For her, the consequence of media attention and her privacy being infringed was serious emotional distress on top of the ‘unique costs for the victim’ which a rape trial holds [Estrich, p3, 1987]. Both these experiences, of rape victims and media intrusions on their privacy, are compatible with the arguments made by Kennedy and Benedict that rape is still too misunderstood by society to leave victims with no protection against the existing stigmatism.

The UK law, which allows an exception to the media’s Art 10 right to free speech, recognises that the potential for unnecessary harm to the character and emotions of the victim outweighs the benefits which denying Art 8 rights to privacy would achieve.

Admitted that the rape victim in this case is dead.  But are there no ethics or policies on how to report death and its details?

Ethics in death reporting?

Graphic details of death, any death, are not in public interest.  That has been the stand of many a media house around the world.  Even BBC’s!  In cases of even suicide, journalists are asked to be very careful in how they report the whole event.  (Source: Journalism Ethics and Regulation By Chris Frost, Pg 157)

death ethics Interestingly, every ethic of “Death Reporting”, specially in a case of gruesome and extremely horrendous crime, were dumped by the BBC in this case.  Even though Nirbhaya is not alive today, another victim of molestation and violence – the friend  (who was found naked on the roadside along with Nirbahaya) is still alive!  Of course, her parents who have endured the greatest tragedy of their lives are being made to relive the entire ordeal in gruesome detail!  Avanindra, the friend who relives that night so many times even now, has called the movie “insensitive“.

Conclusion Whether a movie should be banned or not is a completely different issue.  One wonders if a movie can even be banned in this age of Social Media where voyeurism is at its pinnacle!  But to say that such a documentary was a “gift to India” is a cruel joke indeed, when all it has done is to use selective sources – most heavily the villains in the piece showing them as the gospel givers – to extrapolate their mindset to that of an entire nation!  All done flouting every norm of journalism globally, specifically in Europe!

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  1. The movie was made to gain fame,money and popularity among the hypocrites or the so-called intellectuals.How will it stop the crime?Even capital punishment does not.There should be a definite purpose such as finding a solution.Changing mindset/creating awareness( oft repeated statements by hypocrites and show-offs ) is not going to stop.We were not told to respect women,specifically, by our parents and yet we,the majority,have not molested or raped anybody.This thinking and behavior rises spontaneously.So RESPECT WOMEN -kind of placards or candle-light vigils are simply not necessary.In England,there is a plan to teach children as to what constitutes rape and what is consensual sex,how is this going to help?Those who want to rape will do so.It’s only for the satisfaction of someone,including the teacher,that such plans are floated.The minor,knew that he can get away with lighter sentence and so, declared immediately as soon as the police closed in on him.Is this awareness?We are already aware and so don’t rape-those who rape don’t care.It is just that people don’t know what to do and yet want to do Something so launch such programs.U.K. had critisized India’s draconian hanging.They criticize us anyway.Watch the video of EMILY GAYTHWAITE and so many others to know what British youngsters do in a place called AMegaluf.Do they make films on this?There was a film made on an incident of orphaned British girls being kept as slaves and repeatedly raped.I believe the name of the town was Rotherham .This film was made because the main culprits were British Pakistanis.When their own people are involved,they do mention the same in DAILYMAIL.CO.UK but film is not made.Banning the film and initiating legal proceeding was immature.However,why should it have been made at all?Especially when the matter is subjudice.Moreover,our own men and women talk about Delhi and India being dangerous especially after 7 p.m.Why?Why not suggest some action to the police commissioner and follow it up?Why not form local vigilance groups?Instead of ruining our country’s reputation,contribute towards safety measures.The lady who was recently raped by the UBER driver could have been spared the ordeal,had one of the boys( were they present or only women gathered in that pub?)volunteered to accompany her especially when it was late and she had a drink or two.Simple measures can help.If there were any boys present,it was very indifferent on their part indeed.How our boys are now going to be viewed worldwide is another issue.Even if a girl from the foreign nation is ready to marry,she won’t considering the movie.Our people are more responsible in damning ourselves.Look at the high conviction rate,speedy trials except due to some judge’s legal compulsion.Our journalists,activists also are responsible in shouting from the rooftops which is used by the foreign press.Whoever reads this reply can also read Maria Wirth blog,a German Indophile,who is stating what I have.It is not a matter of satisfaction when India stand 4th in the rape hierarchy,after U.S.,S.Africa andSweden.U.K. is just after us.These criminals talked so confidently about what they did and why shows they were paid.That’s what means when one obtains written permissions.After all on the other hand they were pleading inadequate evidence against them.Why then the shameless statements?And why our so-called intellectuals commented that most Indian men think like that.How many men from the entire Indian geography were interviewed by them ?Nobody came to us.Why the sweeping statements?Every day there is an article about this film in the newspapers?Just to show off the columnist’s lofty (?) thinking and pontificating attitude as if he knows all the answers.People talk and write because there are none.Only massive policing might to some extent help.CCTV cameras will ensure identification of the perpetrator,AFTER THE DEED IS COMMITTED.

    1. Wow! Thanks so much for your very detailed answer, Dr. Pradhan! I will write in future on the whole racism and “neo Imperialism” drive that is being carried on via this and other works by the Westerners with respect to India. I totally agree with your views on simple but effective and useless steps to avoid such crimes from happening.

      1. Thanks for the acknowledgement Mr.Kapoor.
        We really don’t know how to prevent such crimes and are in a frustrated state of mind blame each other and then some foreigner comes in and pokes a finger in our eyes as if we need it and that will solve the problem.They also talk about female foeticide.What can we do?There is a piece today about a girl child getting thrown out of a private hospital window/terrace.The mother is the suspect.This happened in Kalyan a distant suburb of Mumbai.Now what do we do?If this is due to socio-economic pressures,what can be done?Are we going to look after the girl child when the parents,if true ,reject them?
        I like your articles very much.
        Have you noticed the crimes that occur in the U.K. as they appear in DailyMail and the Magaluf entertaining industry? I also read IndiaFacts.Appears informative but at times scary due to a strongly worded narrative. Regards,
        Viraj Pradhan

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      2. “the whole racism and “neo Imperialism” drive”

        The British still see themselves as our overlords. Foreign Christian missionaries do as well.

    2. “Watch the video of EMILY GAYTHWAITE and so many others to know what
      British youngsters do in a place called AMegaluf.Do they make films on
      this?”

      Why should they? No crime was committed.

      1. Agreed.The point is this kind of film does not /will not serve any purpose.Crimes continue.Abuse of personal freedom that they espouse has ruined that girl’s reputation.Those men who filmed her are not even booked.The point I have raised about Mageluf is exactly that.We never think about making such films.They are produced only for their rights-earn fame and money. What gift as she says has she given us?She said-the entire barrel is rotten.Are we all like that? At least I am not and many more are not.And if faulty mindsets are responsible,then all those with this mindset would have committed crimes and the number should have been higher.How many people across the length and breadth of India have we asked if they feel the same way?When contracts are signed,some amount is exchanged.These criminals are made to make most despicable and provocative comments just to shock the audience.She has specifically mentioned contract and permissions taken .When our men/women helped her make this film,they should have thought of how innocent Indian men will be viewed worldwide.They thought they were doing justice to Jyoti Singh- without actually being able to stop fresh crimes?

        The British have made some films but (1) Where Asians are predominantly responsible AND(2) They have served no purpose.Only the guilty are punished.Fresh crimes continue. The lofty principles of changing the mindset and creating awareness is hogwash.No criminal ever changes his perspective.The minor knew he as a minor will get lighter sentence and so declared to the police when they arrived to catch him.Now all criminals will learn new tricks.After watching some movies in various regional languages a group of warped men went on a serial killing escapade,using telephone wire to suffocate and kill their victims.Is that awareness created?

        We have a problem and we MUST solve it ourselves.The outsiders are not necessary to Gift us something-as Ms.Leslee claimed.Prevention is the most difficult challenge.Punishments don’t/won’t deter any criminal.

        1. “Abuse of personal freedom that they espouse has ruined that girl’s reputation.Those men who filmed her are not even booked.”

          Did anyone bring a case against them in a court of law?

          Anyway, I’ve not seen India’s Daughter and don’t know that I will. If they are making up characters like “the tutor” as alleged here and straight up lying and calling it a “documentary” then a court case should be lodged against them.

          “The British have made some films but (1) Where Asians are predominantly responsible”

          Hogwash. Brits have made plenty of documentaries about the crimes committed in the UK by Anglos.

  2. A beautifully written piece. The problem is not that we have to tackle unethical media morons, but we have to tackle our own intelligentsia…
    I remember seeing some sound bytes from Shoba De the ageing novelist who thinks she is probably a high school cheerleader 😀 and Kibir Bedi. These are people who imagine they are more british than the british. I mean, they probably have the Union Jack tattooed in places where the sun does not shine.
    So what we probably have to address is not the issue of rape. More importantly we need to address who we react to it…
    Indian men, irrespective of how hoarse we might cry ourselves that we are the epitome of gentlemanliness, are crude, uncouth and ready to make asses of themselves wherever they go.
    Having travelled extensively all over India, I have noticed that this trend of viewing women as chattel is universal. It is across regions and across educational backgrounds.
    Anyway, that was my personal opinion regarding the issue of how indian men treat women.
    I think that video, from what I have read in your article was a deliberate attempt to paint the wrong picture. Not just of the victim, she was probably incidental, but of us as a people….

    1. Santosh – the attitudes towards women is not just an “Indian Men” attitude. It is a Universal thing. In fact, that is what I wanted to bring out by talking about the 50 Shades “revolution” that is going on currently. In that entire genre of thinking, a woman is once again a Sex Slave. Ditto for the popular music albums. Is it any wonder that someone like Miley Cyrus comes gyrating and twerking to make herself a sex spectacle to gain popularity? Basically she offered herself on stage as if that was the way to go.

      This mentality is everywhere. And I am not so sure if this mentality is so deeply embedded in the Indian minds yet. I will explore this more in future blogs.

      1. “Santosh – the attitudes towards women is not just an “Indian Men”
        attitude. It is a Universal thing. In fact, that is what I wanted to
        bring out by talking about the 50 Shades “revolution” that is going on
        currently.”

        Except that in 50 Shades there’s a contract drawn up, which she never signs, and the sex they have is the type of sex SHE wants to have, knowing fully well he wants the contract type. But he can’t get that unless she agrees and signs it, making it MUTUAL. Besides that, the books are more about her winning him over to her way of life and controlling him. They even eventually go all traditional and get married and have kids. So its basically average poorly written chick lit.

        The problem that many of us Indians have is that we are murky on this concept of consent and pre-marital relationships. Some of us would rather a woman not want it then to actually want it and engage in a mutually consentual pre-marital sexual relationship – on her terms. That’s why there’s always news about cops sent out to coralle eve teasers who end up harassing consentual couples.

        Yes the West grapples with misogyny and a lot of sexual issues, porn being one of the more problematic ones, but its not regressive for your average everyday consenting couple.

    2. “Indian men, irrespective of how hoarse we might cry ourselves that we
      are the epitome of gentlemanliness, are crude, uncouth and ready to make
      asses of themselves wherever they go.”

      You’ve noticed this too?

  3. Respectfully, I wish to say that I don’t find myself competent enough to join any such illuminatory n highly informative discussion. I only commend the erudition which is so very apparent in the writings …!

  4. isn’t that what documentaries often do, focus on one story? if you watch the documentaries on the west Memphis Three (three young men convicted of a murder) you might come away with thinking that every criminal prosecutor is out to railroad long haired white trash rocker dude. or if you watch the documentary on the 5 black kids found guilty of rape and murder in central park, you might think prosecutors are all trying to railroad young black men.

    1. Well, just because it has happened in some dishonest documentary works doesn’t make it right. Specially when this documentary is now being used to “shame a nation” and stereotype a nation’s entire male population and to cast aspersions on the mindset. It is already having its impact on how people are perceiving India and Indians for the fault of those 6 devils!

      1. I haven’t seen it yet, i’ll look for it on bbc America. so I don’t know if it is doing all that, but I’m not really sure how it could?

        “It is already having its impact on how people are perceiving India and Indians” how has it done that? are Indians not getting visas to visit other countries?

        1. Well students are being refused admissions by Professors because the majority of the class are women, and it is dangerous to have an Indian male. It just happened in two cases in Europe.. Other may not have come out in that way openly and in such a racist way, but I am sure there is an underlying sentiment in that regard.

          Now, I wonder how many people around the world are going to avoid admissions or welcome to American white men because they are “Racist” or “Pedophiles”? If one uses Udwin’s tactics, one can make an even more hardhitting and ostensibly “honest” movie to paint American White males that way? Ain’t it?

        2. can you post some links to these two examples? seems like the Europeans wouldn’t allow that??? and do these professors think they are going to rape the women in class? it doesn’t even make sense.
          paint away.

        3. looks like it was an internship that she rejected them for.
          not sure what an ambassador has to do with a university professor, but it looks like her superior said the chain of emails had been edited. anyway, one german chick hardly makes for a world wide crisis. this reminds me of when the jews were all upset about ‘the passion of christ’. they said there was going to be all sorts of back lashes (no pun intended) against jews. or after the Virginia Tech shooting (that wa an Asian kid who shot and killed 32) the Asians were all afraid of attacks on Asian-Americans. never happened.
          you can’t go around limiting speech based on some idiots’ possible reactions.

        4. Well, if despite India sending out top techies and being an outsourcing destination – what sticks in people’s minds is that men are rapists.. I think something is out of whack. Don’t you think?

          Well its not about limiting speech.. its about doing a balanced work. As much as she has the right to do what she does, I think all of us also have the right to trash her work for what it is. Unethical, trashy work of Voyeurism!

        5. of course you have every right to denounce the work if you don’t like it. but now I’m confused? malai said the movie wasn’t banned? but the article the Dr. posted said it was and everywhere else I here it was?
          yeah, that is out of wack. I’m sure most indian men aren’t rapists. these stories get lives of their own sometimes. I think there was a similar case in Rio shortly before the Olympics. 4 or 5 guy drove around in a bus raping a woman. I don’t recall if she survived.
          apparently someone told malai that it wasn’t polite to talk religion and politics. and now she seems to belief it’s not allowed in America. go figure.
          but when your government bans books and movies, that is bad.

        6. Well, on retrospect, I am also kinda confused if it was “banned” or “stopped for release”.. because the ban/stop has been extended to April 15. If it was a “ban”.. there is no reason to “extend” something. Right? So as we go on, Indian Media’s perfidy will come out. 🙂

        7. so it was temporarily banned? an injunction was ordered to stop the release? semantics. did the government stop/block (temporarily or other wise) the movie or not?

        8. No it aint semantics. One is arbitrary. one is for a reason. The reason is that the case is sub-judice. And unlike US, in India Freedom of Expression is secondary to Justice. Supreme Court has ruled that in several cases. You may not agree with it, but then Indian courts aren’t obligated to agree with your sensibility either. Every culture has to decide what it values most. Unless it is a world wreaking of “White Man’s burden” to teach others on how to live life. Western Universalism in other words. 🙂

        9. well I hope it wasn’t arbitrary. I hope there is reason in everything a government does. flawed as the reason may be in my opinion.
          so do you think a news feed should be blocked as a crime is committed?
          so it is being temporarily blocked until the trial takes place?
          do y’all have juries? are they worried about tainting the jury pool?
          so maybe it has nothing to do with ‘nation shaming’?

        10. First of all you need to distinguish between Government and Judiciary. They aren’t the same in good democracies. Unlike US, India’s judiciary is not partisan. In fact it is fiercely independent of the Government! In many cases, it is the only saving grace when the Government has lost all logic. So, I wouldn’t extrapolate “Government working” on Judiciary.

          No we do not have Juries, but as a matter of policy courts do not allow statements on sub judice matters. IN this case, however, its a more complicated situation. The statements of the rapist given in front of police in the jail can constitute as confession. That adds an interesting twist to the whole cases, specially when he was tricked to do so.

        11. so if the judiciary puts you in jail, you don’t consider that a government action? what is it?

          if the court rules you can’t broadcast a movie, is that not governmental intervention?

        12. I am not sure if you understand democracy. But a normal democracy has three components – Executive, Judiciary, and Legislature. Legislature makes the laws but Judiciary interprets them. Both Freedom and Justice are rights. But Courts have interpreted them as per the sensibility of the society.

          So, NO, they aren’t the Government! You need to get get a good Civic sciences book buddy to understand the difference 🙂

        13. lol. yes I understand the separate branches of government. yes the legislature makes the law. and the judiciary reviews it, if challenged. but in America, which may or may not be a ‘normal’ democracy in your view, the executive has to sign the law. although I think it can just not sign it and in 30 days it becomes law. or the president can veto it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0

          anyway. as you said “three components – Executive, Judiciary, and Legislature” so the courts blocking the movie is a government action.
          you say in one sentence that it is a component and then in another say it isn’t government. why the attempted acrobatics?

        14. Heard of something called Judicial Review? How about Judicial Activism?

          “Judicial review is the doctrine under which legislative and executive actions are subject toreview by the judiciary. A court with judicial review power may invalidate laws and decisions that are incompatible with a higher authority, such as the terms of a written constitution.

          In Marbury vs Madison (1803) this was established in the US. The decision summary – “In the Judiciary Act of 1789, Congress gave the Supreme Court the authority to issue certain judicial writs. The Constitution did not give the Court this power. Because the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, the Court held that any contradictory congressional Act is without force. The ability of federal courts to declare legislative and executive actions unconstitutional is known as judicial review.”

          For a good example, please refer to Roe vs Wade. Heard about it? 🙂 In that case, the Right to Privacy definition was broadened by the Supreme Court vis-a-vis what was understood as per the Constitution.

          Just as the American Supreme Court decides on the breadth and depth of an American’s Rights, the Indian Supreme Court decides that for an Indian citizen.

          An Indian can crib about what US Supreme Court does is lunacy.. but does that make it undemocratic or untenable? An Indian may not like so many things in American culture when it comes to Right to Privacy.. but does that make any difference? Heck one SC bench in US SC may thing the last one was full of morons! So what?!!

          So Mike.. as I said, you need a good Civic Sciences book buddy.. why delay your learning? 😛

        15. yes, I’ve heard of judicial review. laws have been passed and then ruled unconstitutional under judicial review.

          you keep mentioning ‘democratic’, or a ‘real democracy’? what does that have to do with freedom of speech. clearly you don’t have freedom of speech. that is alright, most countries don’t.

          yes Marbury vs Madison is a famous case. as were the sedition acts under adams.

          anyway: more pertinent to the discussion of freedom of speech, you should read the Westborough Baptist church ruling. or the Skokie ruling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

        16. Democracy is where there are checks and balances and every arm of a law making and enforcement works independently. We talked about Government vs Judiciary. In that context, I was trying to distinguish the two in a “real” democracy vs a banana republic where the executive directs and owns the Judiciary. US isn’t a banana republic, but given how politics plays a role in Supreme Court judgments it isn’t that far off on the democratic side. If such things were happening in India – where judges rule based on their politics as opposed to a neutral view based on facts of the case – they would be utterly disrespected. As was the case in Shah Bano verdict in Rajiv Gandhi’s time.

          “more pertinent to the discussion of freedom of speech”

          Do you realize that your view (or American) view of Freedom of Speech is to enforce a certain moral view as a Universal standard? What is now being called “Western Universalism”.

          US case laws dont have any relevance to Indian social construct. I hope we can agree on that. And if you insist on calling your worldview as a “factual and moral standard”.. then please refer to Western Universalism discussion.

        17. when did I say “factual and moral standard”???
          yes US case law has no standing in India. I’m just trying to understand your view on freedom of speech.

        18. sorry I don’t know what the word ‘crib’ means? at least not I this context.
          so you agree with the court (not the government) banning the movie. temporarily or not?

        19. Absolutely. Freedom is not absolute. It is a retarded concept. Even in US Freedom is not absolute. It is superseded by national interest. You would know the historical context in different times. Even today, try suggesting how you will kill and rape a girl on social media in a school / University – and then see how quickly your Freedom of Expression goes away!

          Social good at play right? Same difference.

        20. “apparently someone told malai that it wasn’t polite to talk religion and
          politics. and now she seems to belief it’s not allowed in America.”

          I have traveled the length and breadth of the USA and consistently been told its just not the right thing to do to talk religion or politics in social settings. Its considered politically incorrect.

        21. Desh, if this “tutor” character has been entirely fabricated and if he has told lies about the surviving victim, as the victim himself claims, then there’s a court case right there.

          I agree that its unethical to give so much airtime to a psychotic rapist/killer and allow him to relish the telling of his evil deeds and even justify them with his shameless victim blaming – all with a twisted smirk on his ugly face, but in a way it might be good for the public to gain a peek into how such sick minds operate.

          And he should be unleashed to the scientists so they can study his brain and hopefully come up with a drug or surgery that can reverse it. Maybe human genetic engineering is in order so no one gets born with a mentality like that.

        1. I know some people have thrown some stuff at Churches.. like half a dozen. At the same time over 200 temples have been vandalized. So, dunno if one can make any correlation like BBC does. That is why I call it unethical and dishonest journalism. Suddenly the norms lose meaning for the “Brown Indians”… to heck with covering all angles.. lets go with the controversy theories!

          As for the use of devils – I am just using it as an English word with no baggage of Christian history, from which I don’t have any particular burden to carry. I would call them criminals, but their acts were so heinous, that sometimes words fail.

        2. so are the Christians vandalizing the temples? I always thought that would be the muslims? either way that seems like a suicidal act by either of the minority religions? don’t tell me it is the Zoroastrians????
          yeah, that is the way news works. it grabs hold of something and runs with it. I was talking to a person in Germany online and he said he would be afraid to send his black friend to America because the cops would probably shot him. lol. and he seemed quite serious. oh well.
          you seem hyper sensitive?

        3. Its not a reverse situation, mike.. Just saying that places of worship of all kinds are targeted. Temples far more than any other.

          But things like these – where evangelists stand outside temples saying filth about Hinduism creating open provocation is becoming very common.

        4. “so y’all don’t have freedom of speech?”

          Um, er, um… he wrote, “where evangelists stand outside temples saying filth about Hinduism creating open provocation is becoming very common.” and showed you the video so obviously we have “freedom of speech” to an extreme degree. We don’t do political correctness in India. For better or worse, anyone can say anything they want to anyone anywhere in India. As, um, once again, is evidenced in the above video.

          Sheesh.

        5. sorry I don’t have volume on this computer. I watched the video and no one attacked her. but I couldn’t hear what the filth and provocations were. but why are there so many attacks against religious buildings?

          and when someone says something is ‘open provocation’ – to me that smacks of someone who is against free speech. plus, um, er, um, your government banned a movie. 😉

          “For better or worse, anyone can say anything they want to anyone anywhere in India.” so why was the movie banned? smh.

        6. “sorry I don’t have volume on this computer.”

          So? I haven’t watched that video at all.

          “I watched the video and no one attacked her. but I couldn’t hear what the filth and provocations were. but why are there so many attacks against religious buildings?”

          Um, what? Why are you addressing this to me?

          “and when someone says something is ‘open provocation’ – to me that smacks of someone who is against free speech.”

          I’m not you so I can’t help you there. You will have to ask yourself why you think, “when someone says something is open provocation to me that smacks of someone who is against free speech.” But again, what does this have to do with me?

          “so why was the movie banned?”

          It wasn’t.

        7. Mike, LOL! I found your comments trolling other blogs and this was a gem, “there is a limit to freedom of religion. your-their freedom shouldn’t impede on me. it’s that simple.”

          A limit to freedom of religion but no limit to freedom of speech, eh?

        8. of course there is a limit to freedom of speech. it’s called the ‘fighting words’ doctrine. also, there is the classic case of, ‘can’t yell fire in a crowded movie theater’.
          and of course there is a limit to religions. you can’t force me to pray to your god. or tax me to build your temple. nor can you sacrifice me to your god. do you support muslims rights to circumcise little girls? how about marrying a 9 year-old because of religious beliefs.
          you don’t agree that your religion shouldn’t impede on me?

        9. “of course there is a limit to freedom of speech. it’s called the ‘fighting words’ doctrine.”

          Right. I didn’t watch that video of crazed monotheists because I have decades experience of their “fighting words” in India.

          “and of course there is a limit to religions. you can’t force me to pray to your god.”

          Tell that to the monotheists. Those missionaries are running amok in India trying to force us to pray to their god as is evidenced above. Sometimes they even come on personal property and try that.

          Their ideology teaches them not to respect freedom of religious choice, that’s why they feel compelled to stand in front of other people’s places of worship and talk smack. Their intent is to provoke. They are not interested in real debate. I have invited several to scholarly debates where they would be given a platform to systematically espouse their “faith” and “belief” vis a vis Dharmic philosophy but not a single bite. But they cry wolf when we go through our ancestral villages teaching Dharma – in our own country!

          Simple-hearted village Hindus gladly put pictures of Jesus next to Ganesh, Shiva, etc on their home altars yet these missionary lunatics are not satisfied until and unless they remove Ganesh and party and put Jesus alone there. Its so weird. Why don’t they mission to atheist countries like Sweden instead of countries that already have a god concept?

          None of it makes sense.

        10. “Right. I didn’t watch that video of crazed monotheists because I have decades experience of their “fighting words” in India.” I doubt those were ‘fighting words’. so they are preaching by saying they are going to kill them if they don’t convert?

          “Tell that to the monotheists. Those missionaries are running amok in India trying to force us to pray to their god as is evidenced above” I didn’t see any force.

          “Why don’t they mission to atheist countries like Sweden” I imagine they do. I’ve had Mormons and Jehovah’s knock on my door. and I suppose there aren’t a lot of ‘simple-hearted’ (whatever that means) atheists in Sweden.

        11. Mormons and J’s Witnesses do that in the US. I’m talking about mainstream Christian missionaries missioning in Scandanavia and other atheist majority countries. I’ve met about 2,000 Christian missionaries in India and had personal encounters of not a short kind with hundreds of them. I always ask this question and they cannot answer why they are not in atheist countries instead of the land that invited the concept of god, gods, atheism, religion, philosophy and basically every “truth” seeking method there is.

          ” I doubt those were ‘fighting words’. so they are preaching by saying they are going to kill them if they don’t convert?”

          Well the Oriya Swami was killed. But besides that they do go on private property and say they want to “destroy” Hinduism. I have extensive personal experience with them. When invited to scholarly debate they always decline. When invited to live and let live in mutual respect, they decline.

          The GOI favors these Abrahamic minority religions over native Dharmic ones. They get all kinds of perks and privileges we don’t. There needs to be a uniform civil code in India and with the work we Dharmics are doing, I am certain there will be one within 25 years.

        12. I imagine the powers that be among the evangelicals and others, realize the Scandinavians won’t be duped. that is what you call low hanging fruit. a thousand, or even a hundred dollars to a rural hindu might mean the world to them. the swedes would laugh at it.
          I have no idea who the GOI is.

        13. “Maya is a statement of the fact of this universe, of how it is going on.
          People generally get frightened when these things are told to them. But
          bold we must be. Hiding facts is not the way to find a remedy. As you
          all know, a hare hunted by dogs puts its head down and thinks itself
          safe; so, when we run into optimism; we do just like the hare, but that
          is no remedy. There are objections against this, but you may remark that
          they are generally from people who possess many of the good things of
          life. In this country (England) it is very difficult to become a
          pessimist. Everyone tells me how wonderfully the world is going on, how
          progressive; but what he himself is, is his own world. Old questions
          arise: Christianity must be the only true religion of the world because
          Christian nations are prosperous! But that assertion contradicts itself,
          because the prosperity of the Christian nation depends on the
          misfortune of non-Christian nations. There must be some to prey on.
          Suppose the whole world were to become Christian, then the Christian
          nations would become poor, because there would be no non-Christian
          nations for them to prey upon. Thus the argument kills itself. Animals
          are living upon plants, men upon animals and, worst of all, upon one
          another, the strong upon the weak. This is going on everywhere. And this
          is Maya. What solution do you find for this? We hear every day many
          explanations, and are told that in the long run all will be good. Taking
          it for granted that this is possible, why should there be this
          diabolical way of doing good? Why cannot good be done through good,
          instead of through these diabolical methods? The descendants of the
          human beings of today will be happy; but why must there be all this
          suffering now? There is no solution. This is Maya.”

          http://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_2/Jnana-Yoga/Maya_and_Illusion

        14. that makes next to no sense. first of all there are wealthy non-Christian nations. you do realize the gulf states are extremely wealthy and extremely muslim. you do realize japan is not a Christian nation.
          so your grand solution is there is no solution? I browsed your link. when people speak of magic and golden dreams, it makes me think they are crazy.

        15. Of course it makes no sense. Its old MIC (Missionary Industrial Complex) propaganda. And of course there are wealthy non-Christian nations and poor Christian nations and it has always been so.

        16. “I suppose there aren’t a lot of ‘simple-hearted’ (whatever that means) atheists in Sweden.”

          No, they’re aren’t. Simple hearted means non-sophisticated villagers who are innocently oblivious to the conniving schemes of foreign missionaries.

        17. wiki disagrees with you:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_India

          “Section 295(A) of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) enacted in 1927[4] says:[5]
          Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of [citizens of India], [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to [three years], or with fine, or with both.”

        18. Neither wiki nor the IPC are doing anything about people standing outside religious buildings talking smack. It happens regularly that people insult or attempt to insult each others’ religious beliefs and no court cases are lodged. Otherwise there would be millions of them by now.

          While in the States I’m told its not polite to discuss religion or politics but in India we do it regularly. No big deal. I hope Indians never become politically correct. Its so stifling. I don’t feel free and light when in the States being told what and what not to say. As an Indian I’m used to openly debating ideas and beliefs with respect for diversity of religion, culture and opinions – since we have so many different religions and cultures here, and billions of opinions! The States are not nearly as diverse and due to this they suffer from difference anxiety, but its hard to walk on eggshells all the time I would think.

          Such conformity! No wonder so many of the Americans I meet are thirsting for the diversity of thought found in our Dharmic traditions.

        19. you can discuss religion and politics all you want in America. who told you it wasn’t polite? were you at a high faluten dinner party?

          “I hope Indians never become politically correct.” me too. I hate political correctness.

          “I don’t feel free and light when in the States being told what and what not to say.” next time someone tells you what to say, tell ’em to fuck off.

        20. I take it you didn’t read that wiki page:

          On Sept 26, 1988, London based Penguin group published Satanic Verses. Sensing trouble, Penguin’s Indian arm decided not to publish a local edition. Within 9 days of London publication, India banned Satanic Verses becoming the first country to do so.[19] No petition challenging government order was filed.

          In 1990, Understanding Islam through Hadis by Ram Swarup was banned.[20] In 1990 the Hindi translation of the book was banned, and in March 1991 the English original became banned as well.[21] Publisher Sita Ram Goel was arrested.[22] Indian intellectuals protested against the arrest of Goel.[22] Arun Shourie commented on the criminal case:

          No one has ever refuted him on facts, but many have sought to smear him and his writing. They have thereby transmuted the work from mere scholarship into warning. (…)The forfeiture is exactly the sort of thing which had landed us where we are: where intellectual inquiry is shut out; where our traditions are not examined, and reassessed; and where as a consequence there is no dialogue. It is exactly the sort of thing too which foments reaction. (…)”Freedom of expression which is legitimate and constitutionally protected,” it [the Supreme Court] declared last year, “cannot be held to ransom by an intolerant group or people.”[23]

          In 2005, Supreme court set aside decision of West Bengal government to forfeit all the copies of book “Dwikhandita” written by Taslima Narseen. West Bengal government ordered forfeiting of all copies of “Dwikhandita” on the ground that it outraged the religious feelings of the Muslim community.[24]

          In 2006, seven states (Nagaland, Punjab, Goa, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh) have banned the release or exhibition of the Hollywood movie The Da Vinci Code (and also the book),[25] Later, Two states lifted the ban under high court order.

          In March 2007, a newspaper editor BV Seetharam was arrested under the Sections 153A, 153B, and 295 of the IPC for allegedly promoting religious hatred. He had written articles criticizing the public nudity of the Digambara Jain monks.[26]

          In September or October 2007, police in Pune arrested four Bangalore-based software-engineers for posting on the Internet an obscene profile of Chhatrapati Shivaji, a sixteenth-century Maratha warrior king.[27][28]

          In February 2009, the police arrested Ravindra Kumar and Anand Sinha, the editor and the publisher respectively of the Kolkata-based English daily The Statesman for hurting Muslim sentiments. The police charged Kumar and Sinha under section 295A because they had reprinted an article from The Independent by its columnist Johann Hari. Titled “Why should I respect oppressive religions?”, the article stated Hari’s belief that the right to criticise any religion was being eroded around the world. Muslim protestors in Kolkata reacted to Hari’s belief by violent demonstrations at the offices of The Statesman.[29]

          In November 2012, Maharashtra Police arrested Shaheen Dhada (21) for questioning the total shutdown in the city for Bal Thackeray’s funeral in a Facebook post, and also her friend Renu Srinivasan (20) for liking her post.[30] Although no religious issue was involved, the two were charged under Section 295 (A) for hurting religious sentiments, apart from Section 66 (a) of the Information Technology Act 2000.[31]

          Yogesh Master, a Bangalore based writer was arrested on August 29 over his derogatory remarks on Lord Ganesha, in his Kannada novel Dhundi, which was released on August 21. He was later released on bail. A complaint was lodged at Police Station by various Hindu groups who blamed him of blasphemy and hurting religious sentiments. Yogesh, in his novel Dhundi: The story of a forester becoming Ganapathi wrote that Ganesha was born due to Parvati’s illicit relationship. This had outraged the public at large.[32]

          In 2012 Blasphemy Case, Catholic Church accused rationalist Sanal Edamaruku of Blasphemy for his role in examining a claimed miracle at a Catholic Church in Mumbai. He fled to Finland to evade his arrest.

        21. No need. I remember that case. The vast, VAST majority of India’s 1 billion plus population do not read English novels. Even less have read Satanic Verses or even know who Salman Rushdie is – to this day. We have much better writers. That whole case was trumped up by an elite group of westernized media hounds and crazy monotheists It speaks nothing to your rank and file Indian.

          The GOI are a bunch of fools for kowtowing to those idiots.

        22. You call that Freedom of speech? Interesting. Would be interested to know what is “Hate Speech” then? Or is the concept of Hate Speech only reserved for certain people? What she is indulging in is clear Hate Speech against Hinduism in front of the temple, her verbal sophistry notwithstanding.

        23. yes, that is freedom of speech. no such thing as ‘hate speech’. hate speech laws are bad.
          sorry for my lack of verbal sophistry, but it is that simple.

      2. Hello,Mr.Kapoor.I wonder if there is any way we can give a fitting and concerted reply to this.I am sure you have read Ms Shobhaa Dey’s article in Sunday TOI.It matches our viewpoint.Alas,these Brits are not going to read our responses.

        1. Hi Sir – I will write more articles on this topic. With a larger picture also properly detailed out. Will be ready by tomorrow on my next blog post. 🙂

        2. Thanks ,Mr.Kapoor.Our response must appear in the mainstream newspapers and must reach the western nations as well.I don’t know how that can be done.Regards,

        3. Mike3, “what is it you want to teach the western nations?”

          Dr. Viraj was referring to the article entitled “Enjoy your fame and spare us the sermons, Leslee” written by journalist Shobhaa Dey here; http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/enjoy-your-fame-and-spare-us-the-sermons-leslee-2/

          Moreover as Desh Kapoor pointed out in the OP, “the tutor” is a completely fabricated character that is telling lies about the other victim in this case, Avanindra Pandey, who survived his assault.

          Thank you Desh Kapoor for bringing this to light. The world needs to know this “documentary” is at least partially fake and fabricated. Leslee Udwin should be sued, and so should “the tutor”.

        4. so what would you sue them for?
          i’ll check out the article.

          edit: I read the article. it was just a diatribe against the producer. ok.

        5. Mike3, “so what would you sue them for?”

          Sigh. I already detailed that in the comment above. You are replying to my comment without even having read it?

          Anyway on to cheerier matters – this blog’s “about the writer” says – “Making sense of the world via the perspective of Dharma and Hinduism.” I’m happy you are interested in Dharma Mike3! What particular Dharmic philosophy do you follow? Are you part of a sangha? Which part of the world do you reside in? We have a team that travels the globe spreading Dharma in general but our members come from various sanghas and philosophical backgrounds so we can either give a general seminar in your area or get more specific if you and your friends follow a particular tradition or are interested in one or two particular philosophies.

          We don’t charge for our presentations but people usually pool resources to cover our travel and stay expenses. Sometimes if we are presenting in a facility that charges for that sort of thing then sponsors either cover that or the facility itself charges a fee. If you don’t want to go that route we can present in private homes. We are flexible and just want to share with the eager bumblebees around the world like yourself who are thirsty for sweet nectar!

          We are humbled and honored to share it.

        6. how did you detail what you would sue for? ‘the tutor’ wasn’t real? so what standing do you have to sue? how have you been damaged?
          no. I read it. apparently you didn’t read my comment (on the cases of people arrested) before replying. there was more than the rushdie case that you remember so well.
          no, I don’t follow any dharmic philosophy. I’m an atheists. I live in tampa bay florida.
          you want to fly here for a seminar? y’all don’t have a website? I’m not going to chip in to pay for you to fly here, but let me know if you are ever in the area. maybe i’ll come and we can talk religion and politics.

        7. By “I would sue” I meant if I were the surviving victim as well as the dead victim’s family. There’s a case there if they wish to pursue it.

        8. well if the survivor or the victim was slandered, there is a suit. I thought it was the ‘nation shaming’ thing you wanted to sue under.
          so you aren’t going to be in tampa bay anytime soon?

        9. “well if the survivor or the victim was slandered, there is a suit.”

          SMH. I wrote TWICE above that according to the surviving victim, “the tutor” was a fabricated character who told a lie about him. I told you to go back and READ my comments to understand why I said a suit is in order.

        10. why are you syh? I’m agreeing with you. if the survivor and the estate of the deceased what to sue for slander they should be able to. in fact they should want it released so the damages would be greater. plus this documentarian will make more money to take.
          so you aren’t going to be in tampa anytime soon? how about Orlando? Sarasota?

        11. ” I don’t follow any dharmic philosophy. I’m an atheists.”

          What makes you think dharma and atheism are opposed? Did you not know that the first atheistic philosophers were dharmic philosophers?!

        12. I don’t know if dharma and atheism are opposed. so dharma has nothing to do with god or gods?
          no, I have no idea who the ‘first [known] atheists philosophers’ where. so tell me what is dharma? and how does it lend itself to atheism?

  5. Excellent article! The movie wasn’t even banned- this is nonsense generated by emotional press coverage. There is a temporary restraining order against screening it while the case is in the courts. What’s wrong with that?

  6. A “gift to India” – like the British Empire? The Brits still see themselves as our overlords!

    “In the modern world of unabashed erotic titillating and submissive
    practices, we have the Western Media patronize India on the mindset
    problem of its male population.”

    With all its child porn the West is surely the direction we should look to for moral guidance, innit?

    “This documentary, which hinges on the testimony of one of the rapists – shot without his consent”

    As if consent is a concept rapists entertain. Why should we care about his consent after what he did?

    1. “As if consent is a concept rapists entertain. Why should we care about his consent after what he did?”

      Emotionally sir, i agree. However, legally speaking.. his confession sans his consent may be jeopardizing the whole thing.

  7. Googling around I found the view that “India’s Daughter” will prevent the violent perpetrators from getting a “fair trial”. Whether this means the documentary portrays them in such a negative light that everyone will automatically vote for death sentence (and why shouldn’t they?) OR that their victim-blaming justifications will receive head nods from the jury – EITHER ONE IS PROBLEMATIC.

    A crime this horrific deserves death penalty so if there are advocates and other people out there who think they shouldn’t get it – they are wrong. On the other hand you all know as well as I do that a great many people in our country, while not supporting rape and murder, nonetheless DO think that single women have no business going out on dates with boyfriends.

    Sure there’s a small elite, urbanized and westernized section of our society that embraces dating culture. The vast majority of our society shuns it and embraces arranged marriage culture. What to speak of teens, this makes it even difficult for ADULT singles to freely associate with each other and engage in pre-marital dating and intimacy.

    Am I right or wrong about this? You know I’m right.

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